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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 3

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Why Brazil WHY

      LOL. Disagreeing with you that 'men' are the problem rather than a tiny proportion of violent criminals is an attempt to prevent debate and progress. You could open it even further & say humans are the problem or you could narrow more & say violent criminals are but no...https://twitter.com/DeepEcologyAU/status/992205997589479426 …

      Helen Pluckrose added,

      Why Brazil WHY @DaddyD0dd
      Replying to @ETVPod @JeremyPhilosoph and 4 others
      There's also a false equivalence. It's a classic tactic of the Right and classic liberals. The false centre. It's a deliberate tactic, to obfuscate, and prevent debate and progress. In this they accuse their victims of which they are most guilty.
      3 replies 2 retweets 28 likes
    2. Lynette Craig‏ @Nothercupacafe May 3
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      It's so telling. The "right and classic liberals" commentary. So... badically every other dissenting opinion? Very scientific and rational of you.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. Why Brazil WHY‏ @DaddyD0dd May 3
      Replying to @Nothercupacafe @HPluckrose

      I was calling out tactics. Sure go ahead and make a valid argument. Tone policing and false equivalence are not valid arguments. If the feelings of "demonized" men are the hill you want to die on, go ahead, you do you. But don't tell the Left what to be most concerned with.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 3
      Replying to @DaddyD0dd @Nothercupacafe

      Show me that it helps? How does blaming an entire sex for the behaviour of its worst elements help reduce that behaviour rather than just adding to the amount of hostility, resentment and gendered nastiness in the world?

      1 reply 1 retweet 10 likes
    5. Lynette Craig‏ @Nothercupacafe May 3
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      There is no way you have followed Helen long if you are accusing HER of using tone-policing tactics. In fact, it highlights how ridiculously hypocritical you're being right now. Who is using "tone tactics?"

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    6. Why Brazil WHY‏ @DaddyD0dd May 3
      Replying to @Nothercupacafe @HPluckrose

      I'm very aware of her work. She is consistently dishonest and tone-policing.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 3
      Replying to @DaddyD0dd @Nothercupacafe

      I do 'tone police.' I think it matters how we speak to people if we want to persuade them. However, it is not tone policing to object to sexism. Tone is not the issue here. 'Excuse me, can I just mention that men are murderous, enslaving rapists?' is still rather problematic!pic.twitter.com/UekRnHDVsG

      6:38 PM - 3 May 2018
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        2. Rob McMillin‏ @scareduck May 3
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Nothercupacafe

          Objections to “tone policing” are demands that people stick around while the objector continues the abuse.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Lynette Craig‏ @Nothercupacafe May 3
          Replying to @scareduck @HPluckrose

          I can see this take, but I actually think the objector FEELS victimized here. Therein lies the problem. Green has actually convinced themselves that Helen is abusive. It defies all rational logic, but ... what are ya gonna do?

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        4. Rob McMillin‏ @scareduck May 3
          Replying to @Nothercupacafe @HPluckrose

          “I deny reality and substitute my own.” The credo of alcoholics everywhere.

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        5. Lynette Craig‏ @Nothercupacafe May 3
          Replying to @scareduck @HPluckrose

          Hey now, I may well be an alcoholic. Let’s be nice...

          0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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        1. Lynette Craig‏ @Nothercupacafe May 3
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          See Green, what a ridiculous deceptive asshole is she being? So irrational and baised! Ugh, I can’t even Helen.

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        1. omniai‏ @omniai May 3
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Nothercupacafe

          I get the "tone policing" thing when tone is used to avoid debating a point ("You sound angry so your argument is invalid"). But it's often used just as disingenuously to avoid debating a clear point ("You tone policed me, therefore your argument is invalid')

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