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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 3

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Why Brazil WHY

    No. Feminists are attempting to demonise men and pathologise masculinity. Violent criminals who are mostly male include women among their victims. Also, 'violent criminals exist so it's OK to be bigoted about half the population' is an incoherent stance to take.https://twitter.com/DeepEcologyAU/status/992201049766150144 …

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    Why Brazil WHY @DaddyD0dd
    Replying to @HPluckrose @ETVPod and 3 others
    That's just wordy tone policing. The feminists are making men have feels. Men are making women be dead or raped or enslaved. These are not equivalent.
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      2. Why Brazil WHY‏ @DaddyD0dd May 3
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        You're not on the Left. You don't get to tone police the Left. Which feminists? What does the "demonization" do to the men, compared with what does toxic masculinity do to men and women? I'm not only talking about violent criminals.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 3
        Replying to @DaddyD0dd

        You were talking about murderers, rapists and enslavers. All of those things are violent crime.

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      2. Leon Paul‏Verified account @l3onx May 4
        Replying to @HPluckrose @moolecular

        Until we admit there is something about men which makes them more likely to commit violent crime than women, we cannot begin to tackle the problem. Is it only some men? Or do all men have it in varying degrees? We won’t know if people prevent us from investigating.

        8 replies 1 retweet 4 likes
      3. Meowski Catovitch‏ @catovitch May 4
        Replying to @l3onx @HPluckrose @moolecular

        You've started by ignoring half the population, when there are plenty of violent women as well, even if a smaller percentage, and fewer that make the news (or that people do more than laugh about when they do, for whatever reasons). I'm guessing there are many causes, some...

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      4. Meowski Catovitch‏ @catovitch May 4
        Replying to @catovitch @l3onx and

        ...affecting both men and women, some mostly affecting one and not the other. But to start by ignoring half of them doesn't seem like a good plan if you really want to get to the bottom of causes. That's starting with a conclusion.

        2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      5. Leon Paul‏Verified account @l3onx May 4
        Replying to @catovitch @HPluckrose @moolecular

        Whatever causes violence, men have more of it. Do you agree?

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      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 4
        Replying to @l3onx @catovitch @moolecular

        Yes, men are more likely to take on both positive & negative roles involving violence so they are the majority of soldiers & jobs involving physical protection & the majority of violent criminals. This ratio is consistent among all the great apes.

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      2. Baddy Sea Lion Misha Ramendik MC1R‏ @ramendik May 4
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Correction - "SOME feminists are..." I think it's not a great idea to demonize a group while correctly calling out demonization of a group. Mainstream liberal feminism does not demonize men.

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      3. Jean D‏ @k6v12 May 10
        Replying to @ramendik @HPluckrose

        "Mainstream liberal feminism does not demonize men." Can you support that claim?

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      4. Baddy Sea Lion Misha Ramendik MC1R‏ @ramendik May 10
        Replying to @k6v12 @HPluckrose

        Here's someone well-recognized as a face of mainstream liberal feminism.http://www.unwomen.org/en/news/stories/2014/9/emma-watson-gender-equality-is-your-issue-too …

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      5. Jean D‏ @k6v12 May 12
        Replying to @ramendik @HPluckrose

        I think it's great that 'he for she' encourages men to help with the problems women face. And women will help with the problems men face too, right? ...Right? <crickets>

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      6. Baddy Sea Lion Misha Ramendik MC1R‏ @ramendik May 13
        Replying to @k6v12 @HPluckrose

        Did you actually read the speech? And yes, there are other feminists who decry it, but this is the official mainstream of feminism.pic.twitter.com/m9Mg94I9ZK

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 13
        Replying to @ramendik @k6v12

        Yes, this is how they address men's issues, if at all. They see it as ways that helping men would also help women or suggest men could be helped if they'd just be more like women. Little mention of prison sentencing, MGM, custody laws etc.

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      8. Baddy Sea Lion Misha Ramendik MC1R‏ @ramendik May 13
        Replying to @HPluckrose @k6v12

        The simple fact, however, is that the one country that is considering banning MGM is Iceland. a *very* feminist place (they even banned strip clubs there, a step too far in my view). Many feminists support joint custody; many more support paternity leave.

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      9. Baddy Sea Lion Misha Ramendik MC1R‏ @ramendik May 13
        Replying to @ramendik @HPluckrose @k6v12

        Quite a number of feminists are in fact "prison abolitionists" - something I, again, can't actually agree with. And feminists *started* widening the definition of rape so it also includes male victims. (California also includes female perpetrators, many feminists there).

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      1. Christopher‏ @Christo36378468 May 4
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Did you read the recent NYT's recent hymn to Marxism? They reject rationality (coherence) as oppressive white-male centered thinking. Not kidding. They state outright in that article that the goal is to destroy everything without regard to the consequences.

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      1. MrsBlueSky‏ @S0uthRiding May 4
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        'Violent criminals who are mostly male include women among their victims.' You say that like it's an incidental detail. Most people, whether male or female, are not violent. But when we look at those who are violent the great majority are male. This is not a trivial point.

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      2. Jeroen D‏ @Yerune_D May 4
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        1 in 3 women and 1 in 4 men have been victims of [some form of] physical violence by an intimate partner within their lifetime. 1 in 4 women and 1 in 7 men have been victims of severe physical violence by an intimate partner in their lifetime. https://ncadv.org/statistics 

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