I agree with this in principle - and yet I've spent a good part of my career as a freelance editor for Verso, a publisher in which the two coexist in quite a comradely fashion, often within the same text. Not saying I don't find that baffling, but it's a fact-on-the-ground.
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(Though I need to read your piece, obvs.)
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I think the key is that they're ideologically incompatible in principle, but suspended together in an emulsion produced by the necessity of solidarity on the part of groups that regard themselves as edgy and marginalised?
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I don't think there is any solidarity between them. Much mutual loathing. But postmodernists do pay some lip-service to anti-capitalism and Marxists have been known to bring some intersectionality in there. Politically divided as radical left and identitarian left.
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Well, all I can say is that I was at an event when the Sokal/Bricmont book first came out, sitting next to a decidedly Marxist (SWP, as it happens) Verso firebrand whose loathing for the speakers, and in defence of Derrida, was forcibly expressed.
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Sometimes they hate each other, I agree. But where an alliance exist - and I promise you it does in many quarters - I guess it's a tactical alliance designed to keep the "far enemy" in mind. The suspension of hostilities is not a figment of JBP's imagination.
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I find this very hard to understand. I am used to the Marxists calling the postmodernists bourgeois elitists who stole the left from the working classes and took it into their ivory tower.
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Oh, sure. It's just that, when capitalism has to be given a kicking (whether because it's exploitation or because it's a grand narrative), they have the capacity to club together. Not saying they don't resume mutual hostilities away from the anti-capitalist fray.
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I would have to see this to believe it. I find the PoMos to be almost wholly uninterested in economics because this would require having some sympathy with white working class men.
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Well, I could take you to a few places where we could see it in its natural habitat! Not saying it makes sense - quite the contrary. But it's conjunctural. Depending on context, say, fundamentalist Christians and Muslims can be at each other's throats or singing their praises.
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I see it in the shoutings of Antifa, tbh, which seem sometimes to be Marxist and sometimes postmodern.
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