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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Nick Gillespie‏Verified account @nickgillespie May 3

      I find the widely cited concept of a "postmodern Marxist left" intellectually incoherent, mostly a right-wing canard flung by ppl who have read no Marx or pomo. Foucault & Fredric Jameson would surely agree. If you are a postmodern Marxist, please contact me.

      82 replies 38 retweets 221 likes
    2. Helen Dale‏Verified account @_HelenDale May 3
      Replying to @nickgillespie

      You and @HPluckrose need to follow each other; you have this in common :)

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 3
      Replying to @_HelenDale @nickgillespie

      Indeed! I have a piece in the works entitled 'Why postmodernism isn't cultural Marxism.' It makes no sense. Marxism was a primary target of the postmodernists & Marxists hate them. It's just an easy conflation of 2 enemies by the right or, more charitably, something easy to grasp

      3 replies 1 retweet 15 likes
    4. Charles Peyton‏ @Friedmanzone May 3
      Replying to @HPluckrose @_HelenDale @nickgillespie

      I agree with this in principle - and yet I've spent a good part of my career as a freelance editor for Verso, a publisher in which the two coexist in quite a comradely fashion, often within the same text. Not saying I don't find that baffling, but it's a fact-on-the-ground.

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    5. Charles Peyton‏ @Friedmanzone May 3
      Replying to @Friedmanzone @HPluckrose and

      (Though I need to read your piece, obvs.)

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    6. Charles Peyton‏ @Friedmanzone May 3
      Replying to @Friedmanzone @HPluckrose and

      I think the key is that they're ideologically incompatible in principle, but suspended together in an emulsion produced by the necessity of solidarity on the part of groups that regard themselves as edgy and marginalised?

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 3
      Replying to @Friedmanzone @_HelenDale @nickgillespie

      I don't think there is any solidarity between them. Much mutual loathing. But postmodernists do pay some lip-service to anti-capitalism and Marxists have been known to bring some intersectionality in there. Politically divided as radical left and identitarian left.

      2 replies 1 retweet 4 likes
    8. Charles Peyton‏ @Friedmanzone May 3
      Replying to @HPluckrose @_HelenDale @nickgillespie

      Well, all I can say is that I was at an event when the Sokal/Bricmont book first came out, sitting next to a decidedly Marxist (SWP, as it happens) Verso firebrand whose loathing for the speakers, and in defence of Derrida, was forcibly expressed.

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    9. Charles Peyton‏ @Friedmanzone May 3
      Replying to @Friedmanzone @HPluckrose and

      Sometimes they hate each other, I agree. But where an alliance exist - and I promise you it does in many quarters - I guess it's a tactical alliance designed to keep the "far enemy" in mind. The suspension of hostilities is not a figment of JBP's imagination.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 3
      Replying to @Friedmanzone @_HelenDale @nickgillespie

      I find this very hard to understand. I am used to the Marxists calling the postmodernists bourgeois elitists who stole the left from the working classes and took it into their ivory tower.

      12:43 PM - 3 May 2018
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        2. Charles Peyton‏ @Friedmanzone May 3
          Replying to @HPluckrose @_HelenDale @nickgillespie

          Oh, sure. It's just that, when capitalism has to be given a kicking (whether because it's exploitation or because it's a grand narrative), they have the capacity to club together. Not saying they don't resume mutual hostilities away from the anti-capitalist fray.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 3
          Replying to @Friedmanzone @_HelenDale @nickgillespie

          I would have to see this to believe it. I find the PoMos to be almost wholly uninterested in economics because this would require having some sympathy with white working class men.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. Charles Peyton‏ @Friedmanzone May 3
          Replying to @HPluckrose @_HelenDale @nickgillespie

          Well, I could take you to a few places where we could see it in its natural habitat! Not saying it makes sense - quite the contrary. But it's conjunctural. Depending on context, say, fundamentalist Christians and Muslims can be at each other's throats or singing their praises.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 3
          Replying to @Friedmanzone @_HelenDale @nickgillespie

          I see it in the shoutings of Antifa, tbh, which seem sometimes to be Marxist and sometimes postmodern.

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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