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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Lucas Lynch‏ @lucasjlynch May 2

      To everyone on the left concerned about men finding @jordanbpeterson appealing - what's *your* answer? Do you have something to say to young men besides labelling them the enemy and pathologizing them? Once you figure this out, a healthy debate will ensue.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 3
      Replying to @lucasjlynch @BristolBen @jordanbpeterson

      I think we can like and respect men as the decent members of society that they generally are and still wish none of them were drawn to strange, socially conservative woo about Jungian archetypes and bible stories. I recently said this to a young man about it.pic.twitter.com/yZZrq73RVu

      10:48 AM - 3 May 2018
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        2. Lucas Lynch‏ @lucasjlynch May 3
          Replying to @HPluckrose @BristolBen @jordanbpeterson

          I totally agree, but we need a more compelling alternative. Very few frameworks on the left see young men as anything but the enemy, or a creature born with the worst kind of original sin known, born sick but commanded to be well, whose nature is a disease to overcome.

          7 replies 7 retweets 69 likes
        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 3
          Replying to @lucasjlynch @BristolBen @jordanbpeterson

          I think there are still a significant number of universal liberals on the left but I agree that the Peterson phenomenon reveals a need for inspirational metanarratives. I drew on @MatthewdAncona's argument about it here:https://areomagazine.com/2017/12/08/the-problem-with-truth-and-reason-in-a-post-truth-society/ …

          1 reply 5 retweets 19 likes
        4. José Luis González‏ @JoseLuisGMex May 3
          Replying to @HPluckrose @lucasjlynch and

          I definitely don't see him as an alt-right sexist boogeyman. My main concern is his concept of truth. His filibustering on the subject seems like epistemic relativism, and he makes assumptions about every member of a certain group based on this week's disney character archetype

          2 replies 2 retweets 23 likes
        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 3
          Replying to @JoseLuisGMex @lucasjlynch and

          Yep.

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        6. José Luis González‏ @JoseLuisGMex May 3
          Replying to @HPluckrose @lucasjlynch and

          That being said, I think his lectures on religion will (in the long run) have the unintended consequence of making some people discard fundamentalism in favor of Chopraesque religion & atheism for others. He breaks down the Bible like others broke down what we now call mythology.

          1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 3
          Replying to @JoseLuisGMex @lucasjlynch and

          Hmmm. I worry that he is making irrationalism and disregard for evidence more acceptable.

          7 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
        8. Stefanii L. Milanese‏ @loverainonme May 3
          Replying to @HPluckrose @JoseLuisGMex and

          Jordan Peterson cites evidence in all the vids I've seen. What, in particular, r u referring to? What videos of his have you watched? Curious. Seems 2 me, he's all about evidence

          1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
        9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 3
          Replying to @loverainonme @JoseLuisGMex @lucasjlynch

          See discussion with Sam Harris and Joe Rogan. Also Maps of Meaning, particularly this bit:pic.twitter.com/nc6tZitcSO

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        2. rickved‏ @rickved May 3
          Replying to @HPluckrose @lucasjlynch and

          “Strange woo”. Not a very nuanced reaction to his ideas. Not surprising. It’s not easy to listen carefully and calmly to ideas that challenge so many preconceived notions. I think he is smart, honest, fair and not really a threat to anyone. Archetypes are fuzzy by nature.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 3
          Replying to @rickved @lucasjlynch and

          I actually quite enjoy that. It's why I study postmodernism and religion. I still think they are woo, obviously.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. rickved‏ @rickved May 3
          Replying to @HPluckrose @lucasjlynch and

          Yes, woo is a field of study that has yet to be clearly scientifically corroborated. Although a field that is known virtually by everyone who has ever known a powerful poem, where mere words bridge a gap and connect to massive yet hidden ideas. Immeasurable, only knowable.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 3
          Replying to @rickved @lucasjlynch and

          What?

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        6. rickved‏ @rickved May 3
          Replying to @HPluckrose @lucasjlynch and

          Ohhh, disappointed 😔. C’mon, just saying there are objective truths ( the chair) and subjective truths ( ideas, thoughts, meaning, archetypes etc). One is measurable the other exists in the realm of mind. Doesn’t mean they are not real.

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 3
          Replying to @rickved @lucasjlynch

          No, I genuinely did not understand you. You can be moved by poetry (which is not woo) without claiming it to be true, can't you? Real is not the same as true. Religion is real. It's not true tho.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 3
          Replying to @HPluckrose @rickved @lucasjlynch

          I'm not in support of subjective truth whether it's the postmodernists or Peterson. Lived experience is not evidence. Narratives are not truths. Science isn't a cultural construction.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        9. rickved‏ @rickved May 3
          Replying to @HPluckrose @lucasjlynch

          Unfortunately all truth is subjective.

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        2. Stefanii L. Milanese‏ @loverainonme May 3
          Replying to @HPluckrose @lucasjlynch and

          Above clearly written by someone who knows very little abt the JP phenom.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 3
          Replying to @loverainonme @lucasjlynch and

          No, *you* know very little about the JP phenomenon. See how easy that is to say? We might just disagree about it. This, by my co-author, is excellent on it.https://areomagazine.com/2018/01/29/the-guru-appeal-of-jordan-peterson-in-our-post-everything-world/ …

          3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Stefanii L. Milanese‏ @loverainonme May 3
          Replying to @HPluckrose @lucasjlynch and

          True. Just a little lazy. I've read many articles on him. All are similar in my opinion. Many misrepresent him. Disagree he is a 1950's throwback. A common opinion, though. Like to see interviews with countless men/women he's helped.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 3
          Replying to @loverainonme @lucasjlynch

          Many of them write to me because they think I should see him as an ally because we both criticise postmodernism but he makes it harder to do that.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Stefanii L. Milanese‏ @loverainonme May 3
          Replying to @HPluckrose @lucasjlynch

          R u Canadian?

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 3
          Replying to @loverainonme @lucasjlynch

          English.

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