To everyone on the left concerned about men finding @jordanbpeterson appealing - what's *your* answer?
Do you have something to say to young men besides labelling them the enemy and pathologizing them?
Once you figure this out, a healthy debate will ensue.
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I totally agree, but we need a more compelling alternative. Very few frameworks on the left see young men as anything but the enemy, or a creature born with the worst kind of original sin known, born sick but commanded to be well, whose nature is a disease to overcome.
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I think there are still a significant number of universal liberals on the left but I agree that the Peterson phenomenon reveals a need for inspirational metanarratives. I drew on
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I definitely don't see him as an alt-right sexist boogeyman. My main concern is his concept of truth. His filibustering on the subject seems like epistemic relativism, and he makes assumptions about every member of a certain group based on this week's disney character archetype
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That being said, I think his lectures on religion will (in the long run) have the unintended consequence of making some people discard fundamentalism in favor of Chopraesque religion & atheism for others. He breaks down the Bible like others broke down what we now call mythology.
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Hmmm. I worry that he is making irrationalism and disregard for evidence more acceptable.
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Jordan Peterson cites evidence in all the vids I've seen. What, in particular, r u referring to? What videos of his have you watched? Curious. Seems 2 me, he's all about evidence
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See discussion with Sam Harris and Joe Rogan. Also Maps of Meaning, particularly this bit:pic.twitter.com/nc6tZitcSO
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“Strange woo”. Not a very nuanced reaction to his ideas. Not surprising. It’s not easy to listen carefully and calmly to ideas that challenge so many preconceived notions. I think he is smart, honest, fair and not really a threat to anyone. Archetypes are fuzzy by nature.
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I actually quite enjoy that. It's why I study postmodernism and religion. I still think they are woo, obviously.
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Yes, woo is a field of study that has yet to be clearly scientifically corroborated. Although a field that is known virtually by everyone who has ever known a powerful poem, where mere words bridge a gap and connect to massive yet hidden ideas. Immeasurable, only knowable.
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Ohhh, disappointed
. C’mon, just saying there are objective truths ( the chair) and subjective truths ( ideas, thoughts, meaning, archetypes etc). One is measurable the other exists in the realm of mind. Doesn’t mean they are not real. -
No, I genuinely did not understand you. You can be moved by poetry (which is not woo) without claiming it to be true, can't you? Real is not the same as true. Religion is real. It's not true tho.
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I'm not in support of subjective truth whether it's the postmodernists or Peterson. Lived experience is not evidence. Narratives are not truths. Science isn't a cultural construction.
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Unfortunately all truth is subjective.
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Above clearly written by someone who knows very little abt the JP phenom.
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No, *you* know very little about the JP phenomenon. See how easy that is to say? We might just disagree about it. This, by my co-author, is excellent on it.https://areomagazine.com/2018/01/29/the-guru-appeal-of-jordan-peterson-in-our-post-everything-world/ …
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True. Just a little lazy. I've read many articles on him. All are similar in my opinion. Many misrepresent him. Disagree he is a 1950's throwback. A common opinion, though. Like to see interviews with countless men/women he's helped.
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Many of them write to me because they think I should see him as an ally because we both criticise postmodernism but he makes it harder to do that.
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R u Canadian?
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English.
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