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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 1

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Geoffrey Miller

    Polyamory is one of many things I'm ethically in full support of but intuitively against. I think this is why. When polyamorous friends talk about it, it sounds like committed relationships but more of them & disproportionately greater amounts of emotional work & conversations.https://twitter.com/primalpoly/status/991351209691758592 …

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    Geoffrey MillerVerified account @primalpoly
    Replying to @Rave__Dubin @JAndViolentMob @BretWeinstein
    If you think polyamory is the same as irresponsible casual sex, you're wrong.
    10:07 AM - 1 May 2018
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      1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 1

        It seems to me like polyamory is for people who are *especially* interested in commitments and want to have more of them while casual sex is for people who are not interested in commitment.

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      2. Cat‏ @Cat9bx0219 May 1
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        “ethically in full support of but intuitively against”, what do u mean? I think polygamy should be legal, but I morally oppose it. Human nature supports monogamy. Infedelity in the long run creates distrust

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 1
        Replying to @Cat9bx0219

        I think it is morally acceptable if all parties are consenting. So it is not infidelity. Humans are vertically polygamous. I just don't think it sounds very appealing.

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      4. Cat‏ @Cat9bx0219 May 1
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I know that polyamory helped our species survive and grow in numbers in the past, but I discourage it. Again I don’t polyamory should be illegal. “Vertically polyamorous”? I don’t know where u lean politically, but I’m pretty sure ur not a conservative lol

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 1
        Replying to @Cat9bx0219

        Vertically polygamous. Also known as serially monogamous. Human nature is set up for series of relationships.

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      6. Cat‏ @Cat9bx0219 May 1
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        “Serially monogamous”, uh still not clear what “vertically polygamous” means. Is there such a thing “horizontally polygamous”? I disagree w/ ur human nature statement. Sounds blank slate-ish. While I was never polyamorous, I was in2 dat “friends w/ benefits” stuff.

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 1
        Replying to @Cat9bx0219

        Its the same as vertically polygamous. Horizontal polygamy is having multiple partners at the same time. No, blank slatism denies a human nature. This is where I heard human sexuality described as vertically polygamous.https://www.audible.co.uk/pd/Non-fiction/The-Modern-Scholar-Evolutionary-Psychology-I-Audiobook/B004EXK77U?ref=a_search_c3_lProduct_1_1&pf_rd_p=c6e316b8-14da-418d-8f91-b3cad83c5183&pf_rd_r=ASFSG1XFJG9EJJ3X9MVQ& …

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      8. Cat‏ @Cat9bx0219 May 1
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        And vertical polygamy means multiple partners at different times? Like how ppl date, breakup, and date someone new? Didn’t realize ur from the UK. I should have looked at ur bio before. Ur bio also says “humanist liberal”, so I guess that means ur a left-liberal right?

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      9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 1
        Replying to @Cat9bx0219

        Yes, like that. Yes, I am a liberal leftie. See pinned tweet.

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      2. The PeacockCouple‏ @two_peacocks69 May 1
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Swinging is different than poly. You don’t need to bring people into your real life to have amazing sex with them I think this is a mistake a lot of people make. From my experience poly couples have relationship issues because they’re looking for something they don’t get at 🏡

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      2. Coffee is for closers‏ @MichaelFoster26 May 1
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        A former partner and I very very briefly flirted with polyamory. It's an ugly subculture with some really fucked up counterintuitive manipualtive politics. It has a lot in common with SJWism, IMO.

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      3. The PeacockCouple‏ @two_peacocks69 May 1
        Replying to @MichaelFoster26 @HPluckrose

        I’ve observed a lot of that as well. When you make your sexuality your “identity” you start taking it personal. There should be more to a person besides what they do with their fun bits.

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      4. Ronald D. Potts  🇺🇲‏ @RonaldDPotts1 May 1
        Replying to @two_peacocks69 @MichaelFoster26 @HPluckrose

        I would suggest sexuality had no place in ones public persona.

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      5. Coffee is for closers‏ @MichaelFoster26 May 1
        Replying to @RonaldDPotts1 @two_peacocks69 @HPluckrose

        Indeed—it should stay in one’s pubic persona. #dadjokes

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      1. PDX Selina‏ @SelinaDavis73 May 1
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I'm with you. Forging and nurturing true intimacy, vulnerability, and reciprocal support with one other human being is a heavy lift as it is. Can't imagine trying to do that with *multiple* other people and still having time and space for hobbies and/or intellectual pursuits

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      2. David J. Ley PhD‏Verified account @DrDavidLey May 1
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Polyamory is contentious now because of the modern conflation of love, sex, emotional intimacy, familial support & reproduction. Historically and cross culturally these things weren’t all the same. Polyamory (& CNM) attempts to separate them, for those who choose to.

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