Yes. We just made that one in two talks and a podcast. But atheists would not be wrong to be say they were atheists unless they defined 'atheist' as 'someone who holds certain values that serve the same function as religion' and they are someone who does that.https://twitter.com/ireneogrizek/status/990270190150709251 …
Which would be a point that people can try passionately to persuade people of worldviews which aren't religious. If Peterson was said to have made that point, I would agree with him. He was said to have made a different claim tho which I don't agree with.
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Disagreeing with him on one point to do with atheism and religion does not indicate that I disagree with every point ever made about atheism and religion. I genuinely just disagree with the one he (was said to have) made.
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Yes, I understand. I was commenting on a phenomenon that sits uneasily--although perhaps logically--with my idea of atheism as a either a worldview (or part of 1). Atheists often believe that religious conversion practices are wrong or dangerous. That's the connection I'm making.
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I said this about that: https://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/674915375616761856 … But yes, if an atheist believes that it is wrong to try to persuade other people of your own worldview & then they try to persuade other people of theirs this would be wrong. I'd disagree with them, ofc. Arguments are how we advance
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Fair enough. It's just that this thinking often comes with unhelpful insults, mostly issuing from the atheist camp, i.e., the term "god-botherer," which doesn't sound persuasive to me. BTW, I do think you're logically correct. I'm thinking of the behaviour of the atheists I know.
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I know Irene but this bears no relation to what Peterson actually said. If he'd said 'Some atheists have shitty and inconsistent attitudes' I'd have agreed with him.
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Fair enough. Sorry if I strayed off topic.
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Sorry if I was sharp. I am being descended on by dozens of people determined to miss the point.
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Yes. Sorry if I caused that. It wasn't my intention. Sometimes I wish Twitter was more private.
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