Yes. We just made that one in two talks and a podcast. But atheists would not be wrong to be say they were atheists unless they defined 'atheist' as 'someone who holds certain values that serve the same function as religion' and they are someone who does that.https://twitter.com/ireneogrizek/status/990270190150709251 …
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I don't stop being an atheist if I hold certain values that serve the same function as religion for religious people because 'atheist' does not mean 'one who denies that religion serves certain psychological and social needs common to wider humanity.'
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This is just yet another case of 'I can claim you're wrong about what you believe/disbelieve by defining the name for that belief/disbelief in a completely different way to how you are using it and the general consensus on the meaning of the word.' A variation on a strawman.
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Yes, although experientially, I know atheists whom I don't engage with bc of their proselytizing. OTOH, for 18 mos, I worked with devout Christians on the assisted suicide issue. No attempts to convert me. Logically you're right, but real-life experiences shape opinions.
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Which would be a point that people can try passionately to persuade people of worldviews which aren't religious. If Peterson was said to have made that point, I would agree with him. He was said to have made a different claim tho which I don't agree with.
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Disagreeing with him on one point to do with atheism and religion does not indicate that I disagree with every point ever made about atheism and religion. I genuinely just disagree with the one he (was said to have) made.
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Yes, I understand. I was commenting on a phenomenon that sits uneasily--although perhaps logically--with my idea of atheism as a either a worldview (or part of 1). Atheists often believe that religious conversion practices are wrong or dangerous. That's the connection I'm making.
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I said this about that: https://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/674915375616761856 … But yes, if an atheist believes that it is wrong to try to persuade other people of your own worldview & then they try to persuade other people of theirs this would be wrong. I'd disagree with them, ofc. Arguments are how we advance
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Fair enough. It's just that this thinking often comes with unhelpful insults, mostly issuing from the atheist camp, i.e., the term "god-botherer," which doesn't sound persuasive to me. BTW, I do think you're logically correct. I'm thinking of the behaviour of the atheists I know.
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