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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 28

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Irene Ogrizek

    Yes. We just made that one in two talks and a podcast. But atheists would not be wrong to be say they were atheists unless they defined 'atheist' as 'someone who holds certain values that serve the same function as religion' and they are someone who does that.https://twitter.com/ireneogrizek/status/990270190150709251 …

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    Irene Ogrizek @ireneogrizek
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    There's a good argument for displacement, i.e., groups uphold certain values that serve the same function as religion. I've known a lot of atheists & I've always been surprised at how religious their arguments against a belief in God sound.I'm agnostic & have no skin in the game.
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      2. Irene Ogrizek‏ @ireneogrizek Apr 28
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Helen can you rephrase that without the double negatives? I'm honestly not following your response.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 28
        Replying to @ireneogrizek

        Atheists would still be right to say they are atheists if they are using the term in the normal way to mean that they don't believe in gods and not to mean 'someone who holds certain values that serve the same function as religion' whilst being someone who does that.

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      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 28
        Replying to @HPluckrose @ireneogrizek

        I don't stop being an atheist if I hold certain values that serve the same function as religion for religious people because 'atheist' does not mean 'one who denies that religion serves certain psychological and social needs common to wider humanity.'

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 28
        Replying to @HPluckrose @ireneogrizek

        This is just yet another case of 'I can claim you're wrong about what you believe/disbelieve by defining the name for that belief/disbelief in a completely different way to how you are using it and the general consensus on the meaning of the word.' A variation on a strawman.

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      6. Irene Ogrizek‏ @ireneogrizek Apr 28
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Yes, although experientially, I know atheists whom I don't engage with bc of their proselytizing. OTOH, for 18 mos, I worked with devout Christians on the assisted suicide issue. No attempts to convert me. Logically you're right, but real-life experiences shape opinions.

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 28
        Replying to @ireneogrizek

        Which would be a point that people can try passionately to persuade people of worldviews which aren't religious. If Peterson was said to have made that point, I would agree with him. He was said to have made a different claim tho which I don't agree with.

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      8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 28
        Replying to @HPluckrose @ireneogrizek

        Disagreeing with him on one point to do with atheism and religion does not indicate that I disagree with every point ever made about atheism and religion. I genuinely just disagree with the one he (was said to have) made.

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      9. Irene Ogrizek‏ @ireneogrizek Apr 28
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Yes, I understand. I was commenting on a phenomenon that sits uneasily--although perhaps logically--with my idea of atheism as a either a worldview (or part of 1). Atheists often believe that religious conversion practices are wrong or dangerous. That's the connection I'm making.

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