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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 19

    “There are advantages to remaining less than intelligible, if intelligibility is understood as that which is produced as a consequence of recognition according to prevailing social norms” No, Judith Butler. Stop it. Reading Lacan was bad enough. Reading you reading Lacan is hell

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      2. Ben Pobjie‏Verified account @benpobjie Apr 19
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I think I know what she means. What she means is complete crap of course, but I feel pretty proud of myself

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 19
        Replying to @benpobjie

        She is strangely intelligible whilst pointing out how being unintelligible is great, isn't she?

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      2. whitelikeheaven‏ @whitelikeheaven Apr 19
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I mean that's fairly clear as a concept.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 19
        Replying to @whitelikeheaven

        Yes, that was here justifying unintelligibility rather than being unintelligible. I thought that was clear.

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      2. Euphonius Bugnuts‏ @EuphoniusNuts Apr 19
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        In the world of Lacan-bashing, it’s hard to top Raymond Tallis’ review of Lacan’s biography. http://www.psychiatrie-und-ethik.de/infc/en/Shrink_from_Hell.htm …

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      3. Bob White  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇬🇧 🐸‏ @Bob_NW123 Apr 19
        Replying to @EuphoniusNuts @HPluckrose

        Wow, an exercise in sustained invective. Very nice!

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      4. Euphonius Bugnuts‏ @EuphoniusNuts Apr 19
        Replying to @Bob_NW123 @HPluckrose

        And very convincing as well. With a strong ripple effect on his devotees.

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      1. Mel Liflora‏ @melliflora Apr 19
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        The real problem postmodernists have with intelligibility is that if they wrote clear, lucid prose which everyone could understand, the vacuous insubstantiality of their "theories" would become manifestly obvious to all. #postmodern #criticaltheory #pomo #postmodernism

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      2. Thomas Stern‏ @shmarxism Apr 19
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        If my ideas were like Judith Butler's, I'd prefer them to remain unintelligible, too.

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      3. Thomas Stern‏ @shmarxism Apr 19
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        Intelligible Judith Butler is not a pretty sight.pic.twitter.com/fdU3BtX51H

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      1. matt nall‏ @mattbnall Apr 19
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      1. Brandon Robshaw‏ @BrandonRobshaw Apr 19
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        The sloppiness of the prose is typified by the reference to ‘advantages’ when she mentions only one - contesting prevailing social norms. (And incidentally there must be better ways of contesting social norms than being unintelligible!)

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      1. Conceptual Femme Phallique‏ @Auto_Math Apr 19
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        I love you Helen, if you didn't exist we should invent you.

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      1. Amor Mundi‏ @nowhenow Apr 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Butler confuses statistical norms (e.g. word choice) with constitutive norms (e.g. the verb deciding the tense). Something unintelligible is not merely unusual, but it has no grammatical meaning. No logical syntax. Meaning isn't magically breathed into signs, it's grammatical.

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      1. ǝsɐɥɔ ןǝıɹqɐƃ‏ @Kodanshi Apr 19
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        There’s an advantage to being unintelligible if you have no real arguments and don’t want people to oppose your ‘argument’.

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      1. After Sol‏ @Locus_of_Ctrl Apr 19
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        She's right though. Everything else she wrote is wrong, of course, but this statement is correct.

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      1. BarlowD‏ @Bertie799 Apr 19
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I always think back to Bertrand Russell on Hegel.pic.twitter.com/Lh0zdlifdH

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