The optimal human morality would be the system which maximises human wellbeing, minimises human suffering because this is what all humans want for themselves and is extended to all humans for that reason too. We can disagree and go our own way within that on how to live.
When we talk about whether there can be an empirical argument on a subject, this isn't answered 'no' by people not caring about the subject. Arguments about optimal morality assume all participants to care about optimal morality. Dealing with amoral people is a separate subject.
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This would also work with any basis for an argument about morality. I know you're not making a religious argument right now but, if you were, I couldn't say it didn't work because it won't convince people who would rather be self-interested than moral. They're just not engaging.
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My objection isn't that you can't make MAKE people obey. My objection is that empiricism alone can't provide a rational justification why they SHOULD obey. Put another way, empiricism can't specify what should be optimized when attempting to construct the optimal morality.
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What argument can make people think they should be moral if they don't care about morality? What can't be answered with 'Nah, I'm just going to look out for me?' Another 'is' is that people ARE moral. It is not me who is arguing for a 'should' (Ought). I am saying it is all 'is'
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You can't really blame someone who is arguing there is no 'ought' separate from 'is' for not having an 'ought' separate from 'is.' You can only say it won't convince amoral people but this is true of every argument for morality. You'd need to step away from your need for ought.
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You're not following because this is counterintuitive to where you are coming from but I'll only be repeating myself if I try to explain further. This is why I get so bored and frustrated with these conversations and don't have them any more. Best to read Sam Harris.
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Fair enough. I'll go read Harris. At this point tweeting about it isn't likely to be productive.
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