If you want something bigger than us to come & validate those aspects of us that are humane, humanitarian and humanist, I can't help you. I can only tell you and provide sources for what is already there - the best aspects of our nature and argue that it should be extended to all
If you're asking how to make people want to be moral when they want to be selfish or how to make people want to be selfish when they want to be moral, this is a different conversation to an exchange of arguments on how to be moral. Then we're into psychology or neuroscience.
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When we talk about whether there can be an empirical argument on a subject, this isn't answered 'no' by people not caring about the subject. Arguments about optimal morality assume all participants to care about optimal morality. Dealing with amoral people is a separate subject.
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This would also work with any basis for an argument about morality. I know you're not making a religious argument right now but, if you were, I couldn't say it didn't work because it won't convince people who would rather be self-interested than moral. They're just not engaging.
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