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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Adam Kolasinski‏ @adamckolasinski Apr 15
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Maybe Harris has an answer, but if there are no oughts, only is's, then it seems the logical conclusion is nihilism. And I don't think that's where you stand. But I'll go read the book before commenting further.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 15
      Replying to @adamckolasinski

      No, I don't see why knowing where my morality came from indicates nihilism. We already know it is there, that we didn't chose it and that we can't lose it without a frontal lobotomy. Trying to work down to what is the best for humans is something we'll be doing forever.

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    3. Adam Kolasinski‏ @adamckolasinski Apr 15
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      If morality is no more than a sense of what you ought to do that evolved due to selection pressures in past environments, and it isn't actually what you ought to do, then there is no reason for you to obey it. Upon what basis do you condemn the rational nihilist who ignores it?

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 15
      Replying to @adamckolasinski

      I don't know what you mean? Why does knowing that it evolved mean it isn't actually what we ought to do? The universe doesn't care if we torture each other to extinction but humans do. We have empathy, compassion and sense of justice.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 15
      Replying to @HPluckrose @adamckolasinski

      We'd condemn him on the grounds that we don't like to suffer & have empathy for others who suffer & anger to those who cause suffering & so we have written & unwritten rules about this. We haven't always extended our circle of empathy v far but consistent morality would do so

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    6. Adam Kolasinski‏ @adamckolasinski Apr 15
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      But that condemnation is purely subjective. Why should he care what we think? Why should he extend the circle of empathy?

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 15
      Replying to @adamckolasinski

      It's not subjective. Try not having empathy.I took part in a test for psychopaths as a control subject when I was doing psychiatric nursing and had to look at neutral and upsetting images. My frontal lobe fired at pictures of people in distress. Yours must too. Can't you feel it?

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 15
      Replying to @HPluckrose @adamckolasinski

      People who don't care for others are psychopaths, deeply depressed or too profoundly autistic to relate to others at all. If someone doesn't care, they don't. The rest of society has to enforce it. That remains the same wherever morality comes from. It happens now.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 15
      Replying to @HPluckrose @adamckolasinski

      I wrote some things ages ago when religious people kept saying this same thing and I posted them when they were being rude. Please excuse the tone and see the point?pic.twitter.com/DGDYhoMau3

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    10. Adam Kolasinski‏ @adamckolasinski Apr 15
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I c the point, but I'm not trying to argue for a theistically revealed ethics at the moment. I'm just trying to establish whether it is possible to have a normative ethics derived from pure empiricism.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 15
      Replying to @adamckolasinski

      Depends what you mean by pure empiricism. The moral foundations in humans are also found to a lesser degree in other apes and social mammals. We don't have to consciously observe and reason from them to consistently come up with the same basic foundations for morality.

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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 15
          Replying to @HPluckrose @adamckolasinski

          Don't steal, don't lie, don't commit unjustified violence, respect your parents, cherish your children etc. We do this in different ways and we are constantly fighting our own tribalism where other groups are not included in our moral circle but its there.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 15
          Replying to @HPluckrose @adamckolasinski

          Books I could recommend on this include The Moral Animal: why we are the way we are, Behave: the biology of humans at our best and worst, In search of humanism among the bonobos, The evolutionary origins of morality.

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