We don't know enough but if you believe that the most objective morality we can get is an optimum human morality, it takes a huge number of factors to establish exactly what that is so we have to make arguments based on human wellbeing.
It's not subjective. Try not having empathy.I took part in a test for psychopaths as a control subject when I was doing psychiatric nursing and had to look at neutral and upsetting images. My frontal lobe fired at pictures of people in distress. Yours must too. Can't you feel it?
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People who don't care for others are psychopaths, deeply depressed or too profoundly autistic to relate to others at all. If someone doesn't care, they don't. The rest of society has to enforce it. That remains the same wherever morality comes from. It happens now.
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I wrote some things ages ago when religious people kept saying this same thing and I posted them when they were being rude. Please excuse the tone and see the point?pic.twitter.com/DGDYhoMau3
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I c the point, but I'm not trying to argue for a theistically revealed ethics at the moment. I'm just trying to establish whether it is possible to have a normative ethics derived from pure empiricism.
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Depends what you mean by pure empiricism. The moral foundations in humans are also found to a lesser degree in other apes and social mammals. We don't have to consciously observe and reason from them to consistently come up with the same basic foundations for morality.
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Don't steal, don't lie, don't commit unjustified violence, respect your parents, cherish your children etc. We do this in different ways and we are constantly fighting our own tribalism where other groups are not included in our moral circle but its there.
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Books I could recommend on this include The Moral Animal: why we are the way we are, Behave: the biology of humans at our best and worst, In search of humanism among the bonobos, The evolutionary origins of morality.
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