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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 15

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Saloni  🎃

    This is the orientalism I have been talking about. Particularly outrageous in the UK seeing that we are having a serious lack of interest in STEM and need to attract doctors, engineers and scientists from India, Pakistan & Nigeria. Wonder what they think of this shit.https://twitter.com/salonium/status/985525210458845184 …

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    Saloni  🎃 @salonium
    Presenting "objective" "Western" science as being in opposition to "brown people" and "indigenous ways of knowing" is ridiculous & condescending (as if non-white people are incapable of objectivity.) It's absurd to have this pseudoscience elevated by TED http://blog.ted.com/enlightenment-or-entitlement-a-response-to-steven-pinker-from-a-panel-of-ted-fellows/ … pic.twitter.com/I6cAt3uInQ
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      2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 15

        An Indian cognitive scientist came to one of our talks in Portland and told the panel how he'd been accused of being racist and sexist for talking about science to his students.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 15

        Here he is: 1.45.35https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AvyqUOKhGA …

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      2.  🐸not 🐸 AliRadicali‏ @Banned_Ali Apr 15
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I have kneejerk disdain for the term orientalism. Primarily because in my opinion, the people complaining about it are the worst offenders when it comes to treating asians as quaint noble savages.

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      3. Randy McGregor‏ @Ramcgreg Apr 16
        Replying to @Banned_Ali @HPluckrose

        I think the original "Orientalism" is one of the most bizarre accusations ever. Assiduously study civilizations different from your own and get called an agent of colonization.

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      4.  🐸not 🐸 AliRadicali‏ @Banned_Ali Apr 16
        Replying to @Ramcgreg @HPluckrose

        I haven't read Said so I can't say how the term was originally defined, but it's being used as a catchall-phrase to cover virtually any opinion or attitude one could possibly have on the Orient, from contempt to admiration.

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      5. Randy McGregor‏ @Ramcgreg Apr 16
        Replying to @Banned_Ali @HPluckrose

        For Said, Orientalism was a pejorative term meant to discredit European scholarship of "Orientals" as a deceitful effort to rationalize imperialism.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      6.  🐸not 🐸 AliRadicali‏ @Banned_Ali Apr 16
        Replying to @Ramcgreg @HPluckrose

        I'm not surprised. Replace "imperialism" with "capitalism" and you have the orthodox marxist position, where science is irredeemably infected by bourgeois thinking and exists merely to prop up existing systems of exploitation.

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      7. Randy McGregor‏ @Ramcgreg Apr 16
        Replying to @Banned_Ali @HPluckrose

        This should be a position one could either agree or disagree with, explaining his reasons for doing so, but what is happening is that disagreement is demonized. The urge to hunt witches remains intact, the witches just changed.

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      8.  🐸not 🐸 AliRadicali‏ @Banned_Ali Apr 16
        Replying to @Ramcgreg @HPluckrose

        Well obviously* anyone who would disagree is also an anti-social self-interested capitalist pig. If one accepts this pseudo-marxist paradigm, demonisation of the out-group is pretty much a prerequisite. You can't be a moderate radical. *🙄

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      1. Helene Stiernstrand‏ @HStiernstrand Apr 15
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Identity mattering?! Wtf...

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      1. scarydreg‏ @HarveyBarker5 Apr 15
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        To say nothing of Japanese and Chinese. Or are they now honorary whites?

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      2. Benedict White‏ @BenedictMPWhite Apr 15
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Our biggest problems is that we don't train enough of our own. Essentially our elites have given up on the people.

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      3.  🐸not 🐸 AliRadicali‏ @Banned_Ali Apr 15
        Replying to @BenedictMPWhite @HPluckrose

        We've reached the point where most production jobs have already been outsourced, and now increasingly IT work and scientific research are being shipped to Eastern Europe and Asia. Why maintain the western education infrastructure when you need educated employees in Bangalore?

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