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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 15

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted ∴ Nathan Jacobson

      Postmodernism: Objective truth is unattainable. Knowledge is always situated. Religion: Objective truth is found in my religion & accepted via faith, Science: Objective truth is attainable in principle & attaining it is the aim but it is always provisional & open to correction.https://twitter.com/afterall_net/status/985533728381259776 …

      Helen Pluckrose added,

      ∴ Nathan Jacobson @afterall_net
      Replying to @HPluckrose
      The religious and the scientistic share common ground in defending objective truths and the possibility of knowledge against postmodernism. How great that this common ground leads to exchanges about other points of difference. That’s the way it’s supposed to work.
      13 replies 36 retweets 113 likes
    2. Adam Kolasinski‏ @adamckolasinski Apr 15
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I would add, however, that the scientific method can only discover material truth. It is incapable of discovering moral truth or metaphysical truth.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 15
      Replying to @adamckolasinski

      We have to work out moral values ourselves. Metaphysical truth may be meaningless.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Adam Kolasinski‏ @adamckolasinski Apr 15
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Also, unless you are willing to embrace complete moral reletavism, you must accept that there are some universal moral truths.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 15
      Replying to @adamckolasinski

      No, I don't. I have access to only a tiny part of the universe. There is almost certainly an optimal morality for human thriving and wellbeing based on consistent needs we have. No reason to think this holds up outside us. Our evolved to very specific environmental pressures.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Adam Kolasinski‏ @adamckolasinski Apr 15
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      How do you decide that your idea of thriving and well-being is the correct one?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 15
      Replying to @adamckolasinski

      Evidence of what helps humans survive. Honestly, I have no interest in having this conversation for the billionth time. You can either search & read previous conversations or just accept I go largely with Sam Harris' argument on this.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. Adam Kolasinski‏ @adamckolasinski Apr 15
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Ill just point out that there's more to thriving & wellbeing than mere survival and leave it at that. We can agree to disagree if you're not up for this discussion.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 15
      Replying to @adamckolasinski

      Thriving. We'll be arguing about the best way to do that forever but it is basically rooted in basic common human needs. After that, for liberal humanists, there is freedom to do one's own thing as long as it harms no-one else.

      1:21 PM - 15 Apr 2018
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        2. Adam Kolasinski‏ @adamckolasinski Apr 15
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I just hope you realize that the superiority of the liberal humanist morals can't be established with empiricism alone.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 15
          Replying to @adamckolasinski

          No, I didn't because I was born yesterday and have never considered morality before ever.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 15
          Replying to @HPluckrose @adamckolasinski

          I'm sorry I'm getting impatient but I really don't need this very basic introduction to moral philosophy. I have a position on this which rejects Hume's 'ought' and 'is' divide, accepts that humans have consistent basic needs and then vary widely in how they express them.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 15
          Replying to @HPluckrose @adamckolasinski

          I will argue for liberal humanism because in this way, people get to live as they wish provided they don't impose on others. I think this would be the optimum but I could be wrong. It's possible that this isn't strong enough to oppose fundamentalist mentalities.

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 15
          Replying to @HPluckrose @adamckolasinski

          But I am sorry for being impatient. I have a load of people wanting to have arguments with me that I stopped having years ago because I am so bored by them. I shouldn't snark at you, tho.

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