It's the concepts which need to be kept separate. What is evidenced and what is emotionally/morally resonant. The whole post-truth problem is about confusing these.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @darrylrichard23
I think I am following, it seems I the whole Harris Peterson debate got stuck because they wanted to use the same word to mean two different things.
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Replying to @VirgilMSW @darrylrichard23
Not really. They established they were using truth differently early on and tried to find common ground on the concepts. Still, no. Peterson favours pragmatics over facts. So do others but they do them differently to support different ends. Feminism is a main culprit.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @darrylrichard23
That is not how I heard it. I heard Harris telling Peterson that his truth was not truth, and Peterson saying it was a different/deeper truth.
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Replying to @VirgilMSW @darrylrichard23
Yes, he has a better truth than well... truth. That's what is worrying. Objective truth is something worth aiming for.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @darrylrichard23
Well it goes to the argument of can you cross small lox and ebloa. That could be a truth claim to be understood, but not something we should aim for.
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Replying to @VirgilMSW @darrylrichard23
But what tells us we don't want to breeding diseases? Isn't it an understanding of disease? It's not a mythic narrative.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @darrylrichard23
What in the scientific understand of disease would stop you from doing this? It seems the pragmatic wisdom would be setting the limit. Science would state there is truth to find.
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Replying to @VirgilMSW @darrylrichard23
Pragmatic, no, because pragmatic goals depend on what your end is. Science tells us what would happen if we did that. The likely effect on human life. Pragmatic ethics are fine as long as they are rooted in protecting all human life. What would ISIS' pragmatic goal look like?
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Replying to @HPluckrose @darrylrichard23
Oooo that is a good distinction I need to make and didn't realize was specific to me. When I speak of pragmatic ideas it is pragmatic in the sense it moves towards human well being, and then you get into what we'll being is.
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Humanism, essentially. I share it.
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