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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Virgil‏ @VirgilMSW Apr 15
      Replying to @HPluckrose @darrylrichard23

      That makes sense, it seems honestly that we are missing a word for pragmatic truths foundbin narratives. Or maybe I am just unaware of how to articulate this idea. Thanks for the responses making me think a lot.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 15
      Replying to @VirgilMSW @darrylrichard23

      We call it pragmatic notions of truth!

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    3. Virgil‏ @VirgilMSW Apr 15
      Replying to @HPluckrose @darrylrichard23

      That phrase may have been what I was looking for. I have seen so many of these conversations be derailed because people can't get past agreeing on word use.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 15
      Replying to @VirgilMSW @darrylrichard23

      It's the concepts which need to be kept separate. What is evidenced and what is emotionally/morally resonant. The whole post-truth problem is about confusing these.

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    5. Virgil‏ @VirgilMSW Apr 15
      Replying to @HPluckrose @darrylrichard23

      I think I am following, it seems I the whole Harris Peterson debate got stuck because they wanted to use the same word to mean two different things.

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 15
      Replying to @VirgilMSW @darrylrichard23

      Not really. They established they were using truth differently early on and tried to find common ground on the concepts. Still, no. Peterson favours pragmatics over facts. So do others but they do them differently to support different ends. Feminism is a main culprit.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 15
      Replying to @HPluckrose @VirgilMSW @darrylrichard23

      My epistemology is based on what is established as true through evidence. We worked on meaningful narratives that bonded people for most of history. It didn't work well.

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    8. Virgil‏ @VirgilMSW Apr 15
      Replying to @HPluckrose @darrylrichard23

      I would argue it worked remarkably well for survival. It seems the removal of these stories cause catastrophic events to occur. Now to create technology it has not worked well. It is not they are no longer needed, just serves different functions.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 15
      Replying to @VirgilMSW @darrylrichard23

      Do you think we survived better when we worked on mythic narratives? I don't think we did.

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    10. Virgil‏ @VirgilMSW Apr 15
      Replying to @HPluckrose @darrylrichard23

      I think the time scales are too small to know. But we have seen the loss of narrative lead to destruction. I think a mix of the two is ideal. Over emphasis on one or the other is limiting or potentially harmful.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 15
      Replying to @VirgilMSW @darrylrichard23

      We don't lose narratives. We just change them and decide what power they have in society. The SocJus narrative is growing fast and it's scary because it has a certain amount of institutional power.

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