There's evidence of an effect. eg, if a narrative of a caliphate causes people to blow themselves and many others up, there is evidence they have done this. It's not evidence of the truth of the truth claim which made them do it.
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It is not semantic to separate emotional, psychological and behavioural effects of a narrative from the factual truth or falsity of the claims within it. That is essential.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @VirgilMSW
I don't follow. In what way do stories make claims?
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Replying to @darrylrichard23 @VirgilMSW
??? Consider the bible. Consider news stories. Consider propaganda stories and inspirational narratives. If they make us feel good or seem to have a profound meaning but are not established to be true factual accounts, we must say this.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @darrylrichard23
What would you say to what I have seen? That if people follow behaviors seen in hero myths, there is a positive correlation with wellbeing. What do we call these observations, it seems the word truth applies but in a different way then in speaking to facts.
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Replying to @VirgilMSW @darrylrichard23
You can say that people can experience positive benefits from following narratives which are not true. If evidenced, it is true that this happens. The narrative remains untrue. Perhaps someone is inspired by the bravery and honest of Harry Potter?
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Replying to @HPluckrose @darrylrichard23
That makes sense, it seems honestly that we are missing a word for pragmatic truths foundbin narratives. Or maybe I am just unaware of how to articulate this idea. Thanks for the responses making me think a lot.
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Replying to @VirgilMSW @darrylrichard23
We call it pragmatic notions of truth!
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This is the disagreement about truth between Peterson and the sceptics. His is pragmatic, theirs is evidence-based.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @darrylrichard23
Yep and as a practicing clinician I see the immense value of Peterson's idea and the harm scientific truth claims can be. I am definitely bias from my experiences and the amount of terrible science and science reporting.
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The problem with pragmatics is that they are used to support a person's own desired outcome. Science can get things wrong but is less likely to than anything else. And it's science which proves Itself wrong.
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