I get this argument and support reasonable feminists who want to reclaim the term. However, I think, in non-patriarchal societies where legal equality has been achieved & where both men & women experience privileges & disadvantages, gender equality should be postfeminist.https://twitter.com/quellist1/status/984823095306473473 …
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However far we come, I suspect we will always be fighting the battle for gender equity just as we will always be fighting the battle against xenophobia, because I think both these things are hardwired in. It is very early in the game to be singing post-feminist victory /end
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I think we'll always be trying to work gender equality out. I think we're past the point where we need to focus on it from women's perspective
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I don't think we *ever* needed to focus on it exclusively from women's perspective; IMHO, Feminism is and always has been (and should be) an issue of inclusivity. Reason why I don't want to surrender the term to divisive lunatics.
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I think it would do better to come at gender equality from a perspective which does not prioritise one gender, whether it's feminism or the MRM. Feminism simply does not address areas in which men are disadvantaged - eg genital integrity, criminal sentencing, victims of violence
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Sure - in an ideal world, the drill would be - spot an injustice, act to address it, regardless of victim. But historically the trend in *general* progressive movements has always been to marginalise women's concerns as secondary to The Cause (whatever that Cause happens to be)
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I disagree.
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Can you (this is a genuine question) think of a revolutionary movement that made good on the promise of gender equity for its female component (when such a promise was even given)?
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??? Revolutionary movements generally don't make things happen. Changes in society do. But can you think of any which prioritised men's issues over women's? The civil rights movement? Feminism? Gay Pride?
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We may have a woman for PM, but we're scant inches away from having a man for PM who believes no woman should ever have the right to abort; and in the US, Roe v Wade is (and has been since its inception) under sustained attack. These, I think, are coal mine canaries. 2/
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You realise abortion and sex work are opposed by way more women than men? This is a socially conservative or, in the latter case, feminist position, not a patriarchal one.
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I wouldn’t class anti sex work as always a socially conservative one. The most vocal Nordic Model advocates do it based on women’s rights rather than a dislike for sex.
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"or, in the latter case, feminist"
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I was meant to reply to this instead. Doh! I think it was the insinuation of it being anti-liberal I was questioning.pic.twitter.com/xQ3Ut2nyfH
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Well, you see that I acknowledged feminism in the other one. It doesn't tend to be the liberal feminists tho who oppose sex work. That tends to be the radical branch.
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I don't want to belittle how far we've come, and I've got no patience with the structural oppression mob - but human relations are built firmly on a foundation of human sexual relations that's as old as mammalian evolution and it is inhumanly brutal at heart 3/
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All fair enough, but the one thing you haven't covered is bodily autonomy. Abortion on demand is still treated as a vexed moral issue in Britain and (extremely so) in the US, and so is sex work. Ie - women's control of their own bodies is conditional in a way men's is not. 1/
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