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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 13

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Steve Mundie

    Yes, if you were talking about an aspect of your faith & someone comes in & says this depends on a truth claim that God exists so you must prove it to them, you can say 'GTFO.' If however, you are making an argument that God exists, evidence is required to be taken seriouslyhttps://twitter.com/SteveMundie/status/984879772068130817 …

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    Steve Mundie @SteveMundie
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    Same thing for religion if the questioner won’t make the effort, read/wrestle with the texts, or go to a service etc... and comes at you with the attitude “This whole religion thing seems pretty dumb but I’ll give you five minutes.”
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      2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 13

        And this is the central thing. You only need to provide evidence for a claim if you want it taken seriously by someone who doesn't already accept it. If they already do - our biologist talking to another biologist - or they don't care whether you do or not, not need at all.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 13

        The latter is most evident with religion. Religious people are not required in any way to provide evidence that God exists to be free to say that he does. They are only required to do this if they want the claim taken seriously by other people or society more widely.

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      2. Casaubon‏ @Sneaky_Disease Apr 13
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        "If however, you are making an argument that God exists, evidence is required to be taken seriously" Not in this day and age!

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 13
        Replying to @Sneaky_Disease

        Again, I am saying how we should think about things, not how people already are.

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      4. Casaubon‏ @Sneaky_Disease Apr 13
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Oh, I agree with you, just remarking on these ideologically fractured times we live in.

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      2. Steve Mundie‏ @SteveMundie Apr 13
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I agree. But regarding the proof for God, The Resurrection etc.. that’s where I go to the connect the dots analogy. One can lay out a proof, and connect the dots in a certain way to support certain beliefs but can never do so in a way that compels belief. That’s why it’s faith.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 13
        Replying to @SteveMundie

        Right, so no-one needs to take this claim seriously.

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      4. elia noris‏ @enoris Apr 13
        Replying to @HPluckrose @SteveMundie

        I imagine you can somehow prove that rational thinking takes you to an agnostic position. From there anything is a leap of faith...

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      5. Steve Mundie‏ @SteveMundie Apr 13
        Replying to @enoris @HPluckrose

        Agnosticism is a rationale position. Faith is referred to multiple times as a gift. But if faith is fundamentally a gift that means that there isn’t a proof., sufficient reason, yes, but not a proof.

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      6. elia noris‏ @enoris Apr 13
        Replying to @SteveMundie @HPluckrose

        John 20:29: Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

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      7. Steve Mundie‏ @SteveMundie Apr 13
        Replying to @enoris @HPluckrose

        Love John.

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      1. Edward Dixon‏ @EdwardDixon3 Apr 13
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Evidence, and also the graph of your estimate of the number of gods/goddesses should include error bars based on your experiments statistical power. Standard practice in the Experimental Theology literature is a width of 2 sigma.

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