But with the - possible -exception of some Scandinavian countries, I’ve yet to see a society that could convincingly be described as non-patriarchal - and even if we do end up at that place, I think the danger of rollback is a constant headache. You need a rallying point.
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However far we come, I suspect we will always be fighting the battle for gender equity just as we will always be fighting the battle against xenophobia, because I think both these things are hardwired in. It is very early in the game to be singing post-feminist victory /end
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I think we'll always be trying to work gender equality out. I think we're past the point where we need to focus on it from women's perspective
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I don't think we *ever* needed to focus on it exclusively from women's perspective; IMHO, Feminism is and always has been (and should be) an issue of inclusivity. Reason why I don't want to surrender the term to divisive lunatics.
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I think it would do better to come at gender equality from a perspective which does not prioritise one gender, whether it's feminism or the MRM. Feminism simply does not address areas in which men are disadvantaged - eg genital integrity, criminal sentencing, victims of violence
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Sure - in an ideal world, the drill would be - spot an injustice, act to address it, regardless of victim. But historically the trend in *general* progressive movements has always been to marginalise women's concerns as secondary to The Cause (whatever that Cause happens to be)
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I disagree.
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Serious question re "non-patriarchal societies": name one.
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The UK, the US, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and most of Europe. I wrote a guide to detecting patriarchal societies here:https://areomagazine.com/2017/07/10/how-to-tell-if-youre-living-in-a-patriarchy-a-historical-perspective/ …
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Thanks for posting. Pressed for time at the moment, but will read at length later. It seems to me we will likely have differing understandings of what “patriarchy” means.
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I have to say, when we, if we, ever reach a post feminist society then I will think about the word.
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Clearly, the difference here is that I think we have.
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You've convinced me. Thank you for your eloquence and clarity.
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Besides. If you claim and use a term for yourself that others are trying to weaponize, the effective weapon is negated. For example: queer, lesbian, gay
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Desperate times call for desperate measures. But as you say, we should have higher standards in more equal societies. We can move past gender-nationalism.
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I think the effort required to take back a single, horribly tarnished word is better spent doing stuff that makes a difference. The word is so maligned that to take it back would require such a monumental effort as to be unsuccessful, counter-productive and a waste of energy
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