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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 12

      My main problem with the is/ought confusion is when I make an argument about what we should do and people seem to think I am saying this is what we're doing. No. If it were, I wouldn't need to make arguments about it.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 12

      eg, If I say that the left should value viewpoint diversity, I am certain to get lots and lots of examples of the left not valuing viewpoint diversity. If I say that the right should support same sex marriage, I'll get much evidence of it not doing so. This always confuses me.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 12

      I know I've mentioned this before and tried to work out the psychology and concluded that it's related to defeatism and/or a need to think a whole faction irredeemable which is threatened by someone making arguments about how they could reconceptualise things and fix the problem.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 12

      So people can actually be motivated to counter those trying to address a problem because they really want a whole group to be written off and this becomes less likely if someone says they don't have to be that way.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 12

      I think the most clear example of this is when critics of Islam react very badly to Muslim Reformists. They keep showing me human rights abuses in the name of Islam as tho the reformists are not also specifically trying to deal with those.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 12

      When pushed to explain why, if they are concerned about this, they would not ally with insiders also concerned, they often tell me that they fear that people will rely completely on reformers as an example of the problem being dealt with & not seek any additional measures

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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 12

          They are in an existential state of fear and they want drastic measures now. There is some truth in the perception that seeing a group trying to fix its own extremists is reassuring and this ties into the argument about why liberal lefties should criticise its extremists.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 12

          The liberal left is currently divided on whether it should prioritise criticising the right or getting its own house in order & trying to oust the extreme identitarian loons.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 12

          Those who argue for the former believe that we need to unify against a common enemy and that dissent in the ranks can only divide and weaken the left. They can become angry & suspicious of the motivations of those of us who criticise our own side.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 12

          Those who argue for prioritising getting our own house in order think that this is the only way to present a credible enough opposition to the right and the issues that concern us that reasonable liberals can get on board with.

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 12

          This relates to the psychology recognised in the fear that if that Muslim reformists are seen to be trying to get their own house in order, people will feel somewhat reassured that the problem is acknowledged and back away from existential threat reactions of banning a whole grp.

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 12

          Isn't this true? If you are someone who sees a problem within Islam, are you more reassured by Muslims who tell you it doesn't exist and quite possibly that you're racist for thinking it does or by Muslims who tell you they see it and are on it?

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        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 12

          In the same way, lefties who say criticisms of extreme identitarian and authoritarian leftism are unwarranted and probably motivated by bigotry are less likely to reassure waverers than those of us who say, 'Yep, this exists. It's a problem. It doesn't define us & we are on it'

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        1. SHAFIQUR RAHMAN‏ @leninrahman Apr 12
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          People don't seem to realize that grand social ideologies are almost impossible to defeat and eradicate. Pursuing total victory is illogical. Even Nazism, archetypical evil idea that suffered utter physical and ideological defeat, came back eventually.

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