Yes, precisely. I suspect there is a hard-wired tendency to identify with and model behaviours from those of the same sex, which leads to the vast differences in roles & capabilities between cultures.
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Replying to @erstkate @benpobjie
There doesn't seem to be much difference in capabilities and that wouldn't be socialized anyway. Roles certainly differ and it is significant that men and women choose jobs most differently where they have most choice.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @benpobjie
I think I have seen that study you refer to, and wondered whether the measure of how free a society was wasn't in itself socially defined? Freer to conform to stricter informal social mores, even? That said I agree that there are hormonally driven differences.
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Replying to @erstkate @benpobjie
The measurement is about where men and women are freer to choose in time and space. Yes, hormones certainly make a difference but so do brains. Panculturally and even in the other apes, consistent differences are found.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
Indeed. Hormones interact with brains, so that's moot. I need to revisit but it seemed that judgement of "freer" was a particularly Western one. In any case, social norms being mostly arbitrary we have some choice - social norms are all that stop men being monsters, imho...
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Replying to @erstkate @HPluckrose
Sorry to blurt all this at you. It's just a relief to read someone say that there are sex differences but that they exist doesn't mean we need to prescribe specific fixed sex roles, and that's because of the vast overlap of capabilities & tendencies.
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Replying to @erstkate
This is the scientific reality. People keep saying it but they get accused of sexism anyway. See Damore.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
No doubt. It's the need to prove gender is a social construct, or certain brands of feminism collapse in themselves. Which is why they can't deal with transpeople and try to harrass them out of existence.
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Replying to @erstkate
The radfems, yes, but the intersectionals can also be completely social constructivist on this. It was they who protested our Damore event.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
Yes, it's everywhere. Logic is the last decision making tool, and it only kicks in after all the biases have been used. (This was interesting and depressing today... http://www.anu.edu.au/news/all-news/what-makes-someone-believe-or-reject-information …) I'll go google Damore.
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I wrote it up here. Has links.https://areomagazine.com/2018/03/03/this-is-why-we-need-to-talk-about-diversity/ …
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