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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10

    I'm sorry but that was silly. If I trust people I know to be trustworthy from personal experience, I should trust all rape accusations because statistically people I know are no more likely to be trustworthy than people I don't.

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      2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10

        This doesn't count for anything anyway. I believed my friend when she told me she had been raped because I know her to be honest and mentally well. I don't expect anyone else to believe her without evidence no matter how much I tell them they should.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10

        I've had much evidence of her honesty and integrity over nine years, but it's not the kind of evidence I can present. It is not an inconsistency on my part if I believe one woman for good reason but decline to #believewomen on principle.

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      2. elia noris‏ @enoris Apr 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Among all the people you know, are there some you wouldn't deem as trustworthy?

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
        Replying to @enoris

        Yep, I have a brother-in-law I'd never leave alone in my house.

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      4. elia noris‏ @enoris Apr 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Then if you generalize this to the world population and you'll see there are quite a bit of people you wouldn't trust. BTW: unless you really have a lot of brothers and sisters this is dangerously close to name calling ;)

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      2. Drama llama‏ @SanePelican Apr 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I think it's the language not statistics which should take priority. Since the word 'believe' is entirely subjective. Someone can disbelieve yet still take an account of events seriously. It's bad optics on the movements side.

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      3. Drama llama‏ @SanePelican Apr 10
        Replying to @SanePelican @HPluckrose

        These kinds of catchphrases tend to unnecessarily polarize what are complex issues. Such as 'blm' and the apparent implication that others do not. Which was seen in the initial interactions after the rise in popularity as a hash tag turned movement.

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      2. Mike D‏ @mikedennymike Apr 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        1 A pragmatic alternative: You can justify believing in your friend as a matter of faith because your role in the situation will not result in suffering for someone else if she's lying. The consequences of her lying will be confined to the parameters of our relationship with her

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      3. Mike D‏ @mikedennymike Apr 10
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        2 If she is NOT your friend and your role in the situation is as police, court official, policy maker, counsellor, etc.....than you CANNOT justify employing faith because your belief in the accused's guilt can carry impact on parties involved that is NOT confined to relationship.

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      4. Mike D‏ @mikedennymike Apr 10
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        3 So identify potential consequences of being duped. Employ belief as faith when those consequences don't directly impact the individual who is potentially falsely accused. If they do...restrict yourself to rationality.

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      1. ben - [ sinister by design ]‏ @aSinister Apr 10
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        And this is what happens when collectivise people under "statistics" and lose all sight of individuals. This is what makes collectivism so ridiculous when discussing these things.

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