Depends on context again. If someone claims a burglary and is making huge insurance claim, maybe be more suspicious. If someone is making a rape claim and is known to be an ideologue who believes that victimhood is a virtue and an identity, maybe be more suspicious.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom
For the purposes of discussion, assume when I compare rape to robbery I mean all things are equal (ie no reason to assume either insurance claim OR "I want to be a victim"). Also, do you have examples of people falsely claiming rape purely/primarily as a badge of status?
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Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom
Sure. Mattress girl seems an obvious example. And this case. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/aug/24/woman-jailed-10-years-false-rape-claims-jemma-beale … It can be part of a disorder which seeks sympathetic attention rather than an ideological commitment.
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But, mostly no. The ideologues I have spoke to personally are telling me, not the police so no investigation happens. I assume they are telling the truth but get more dubious if they then say that having sex while drinking is rape as the most popular campus survey says.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom
Link to said survey? And having sex while drinking isn't rape; having sex with a drunk person is higher risk, though, because it *could* be rape (consent gets more fuzzy with decreasing capacity); and there's definitely a line of drunkenness beyond which it absolutely *is* rape.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom
Not sure how that relates to my comment (it doesn't argue with my claim there *is* a line, just argues that the CDC measures it poorly), but it's an interesting skim, and I'll have to go back to it. But it does seem to again undermine your view of how seriously rape is taken...
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Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom
I wasn't raising it in relation to your claim. I was raising it in relation to people who define 'rape' the way the CDC does. What? How?
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If you mean that it diminishes genuine rape victims by including people who have had sex whilst drinking and have been talked into sex, then I agree with you that this is not a serious approach. It is evidence of an abhorrence of rape tho.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom
Fair enough. And it undermines your claim by showing how little respect we appear to have for rape of men - not something we'd expect to see in a rape-abhorring culture.
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Except that I said we have little respect for rape of men.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom
Cheomit II Retweeted Helen Pluckrose
Yes, you somewhat modified your initial claim (https://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/983865201433939968 …) to accept that rape of men is underappreciated... but not, as far as I can tell, to stating that rape in general is treated less seriously than other crimes (with robbery being my comparison).
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