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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

      I hold "reasonable doubt" rules, too. And "reasonable" is variable. Tell me you have a dog; great, I believe you, whatever. It's likely, no harm done if you're lying... Tell me you were raped, roughly the same thing. Tell me Bill raped you, I'm going to need a bit more...

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    2. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
      Replying to @cheomitII @HPluckrose @naamamarom

      But I also don't see any reason to automatically assume (lacking specific reason to assume dishonesty) you're making things up. If false reports were more common, sure, more cause for suspicion; but if you're more suspicious of rape than robbery claims, you're being inconsistent

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

      Depends on context again. If someone claims a burglary and is making huge insurance claim, maybe be more suspicious. If someone is making a rape claim and is known to be an ideologue who believes that victimhood is a virtue and an identity, maybe be more suspicious.

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    4. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

      For the purposes of discussion, assume when I compare rape to robbery I mean all things are equal (ie no reason to assume either insurance claim OR "I want to be a victim"). Also, do you have examples of people falsely claiming rape purely/primarily as a badge of status?

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

      Sure. Mattress girl seems an obvious example. And this case. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/aug/24/woman-jailed-10-years-false-rape-claims-jemma-beale … It can be part of a disorder which seeks sympathetic attention rather than an ideological commitment.

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @cheomitII @naamamarom

      But, mostly no. The ideologues I have spoke to personally are telling me, not the police so no investigation happens. I assume they are telling the truth but get more dubious if they then say that having sex while drinking is rape as the most popular campus survey says.

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    7. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

      Link to said survey? And having sex while drinking isn't rape; having sex with a drunk person is higher risk, though, because it *could* be rape (consent gets more fuzzy with decreasing capacity); and there's definitely a line of drunkenness beyond which it absolutely *is* rape.

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

      http://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/ …

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    9. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

      Not sure how that relates to my comment (it doesn't argue with my claim there *is* a line, just argues that the CDC measures it poorly), but it's an interesting skim, and I'll have to go back to it. But it does seem to again undermine your view of how seriously rape is taken...

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    10. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

      I wasn't raising it in relation to your claim. I was raising it in relation to people who define 'rape' the way the CDC does. What? How?

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @cheomitII @naamamarom

      If you mean that it diminishes genuine rape victims by including people who have had sex whilst drinking and have been talked into sex, then I agree with you that this is not a serious approach. It is evidence of an abhorrence of rape tho.

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        2. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

          Fair enough. And it undermines your claim by showing how little respect we appear to have for rape of men - not something we'd expect to see in a rape-abhorring culture.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
          Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

          Except that I said we have little respect for rape of men.

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        4. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

          Cheomit II Retweeted Helen Pluckrose

          Yes, you somewhat modified your initial claim (https://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/983865201433939968 …) to accept that rape of men is underappreciated... but not, as far as I can tell, to stating that rape in general is treated less seriously than other crimes (with robbery being my comparison).

          Cheomit II added,

          Helen Pluckrose @HPluckrose
          We have neither a rape culture nor an abortion culture. We have a culture in which rape is regarded as one of the worst crimes ever and reproductive freedom is a right. I like this culture. https://twitter.com/MitchumsGhost/status/983864799867080705 …
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