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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

      I am. That's why I said it was interesting. I accept that it is probably true. The woman who had the police combing the streets here last year did not name anyone.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @cheomitII @naamamarom

      But this is also why I am not committed to 'listen and believe.' I have seen men falsely accused, not even maliciously - one was developing schizophrenia and the other said what she had to to stop her father beating the shit out of her - and even a tiny number of cases is 2 many.

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    3. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

      I agree, no false accusation is acceptable. But the simple fact is that false accusations are made about all sorts of crimes... yet rape accusations are given less weight than crimes with equivalent false accusation rates. This is not evidence of a society taking rape seriously.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

      I'm not convinced this is a fact. And I think that when false accusations gain people something, suspicion is more justified.

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    5. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

      I agree. Possible ulterior motive would be one of my "reasonableness" tests. What do you think people typically stand to gain from falsely accusing a person of rape? Do they bear any burdens that might offset that? And what fact are you unconvinced about?

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

      I'm unconvinced that rape accusations are taken less seriously than other crimes. I think it's the one that its absolutely taboo to doubt but this could be because my circle is liberal lefties.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @cheomitII @naamamarom

      People can gain a marginalized identity which equates to a valued victimhood status within a certain extremist identitarian ideology. I'd never assume this even if I knew the person to subscribe to these beliefs because it would be so damaging if wrong. But i'd be wary.

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @cheomitII @naamamarom

      Especially as I have been told I was raped by several of them when I brought up an example of my second boyfriend whom I did not want to have sex with but didn't say so but signs would have been obvious to more thoughtful, mature man.

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    9. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

      Going backwards... Perhaps you're distinguishing "rape by definition" from "rape" - as in, sex without consent is rape by definition, but if the "victim" decides it wasn't rape, then it wasn't (hope that's clear...). I think I could agree with that distinction.

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    10. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
      Replying to @cheomitII @HPluckrose @naamamarom

      I'm not much interested in the extremists, but I can't say I know of anyone who has been particularly elevated simply for having been raped. Seems many rape survivors actively fight the victim label.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

      Yes, they do. I am very close to a young woman who does. She is very critical of feminism for making this an identity and requiring her to reveal her trauma in order to be allowed to speak about sexual assault.

      9:59 PM - 10 Apr 2018
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        1. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

          I'm critical of that, too. But all I see (and again, I don't hang around the fringes too much, so maybe that's part of my blindness) is "speaking out if you can helps" - but I've not seen people pushing the unwilling to speak out. Anyone who does should be ashamed of themselves.

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