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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

      No but be sceptical of someone claiming a certain individual robbed them without evidence of this. Want a list of the things I've been accused of?

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @cheomitII @naamamarom

      You should assume that I am in the pay of the far-right, that I am a child-abuser, that I am a psychopath, that I lost someone their job through lies, that I practice mind-control and that I am cheating on my husband and am a violent alcoholic who sends hate mail urging suicide

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    3. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

      You'll note I made the same distinction - between how readily we might accept "I was raped" and "Bill raped me". Interestingly, though, false accusations of rape appear more likely to be vague ("some guy in the alley") than specific... http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1077801210387748 …pic.twitter.com/lycAnS5f8j

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

      Interesting. Although the three friends I had who made false accusations were all specific tho only one of them was malicious. (She is not my friend any more)

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    5. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

      Wouldn't be mine, either! Nobody needs that sort of person in their life. But you are surely above the anecdotal fallacy...

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

      I am. That's why I said it was interesting. I accept that it is probably true. The woman who had the police combing the streets here last year did not name anyone.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @cheomitII @naamamarom

      But this is also why I am not committed to 'listen and believe.' I have seen men falsely accused, not even maliciously - one was developing schizophrenia and the other said what she had to to stop her father beating the shit out of her - and even a tiny number of cases is 2 many.

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @cheomitII @naamamarom

      None of them were charged with false accusations, btw, but one man's life was ruined and he moved to Italy to escape it. Badly beaten up too. It makes me inclined to uphold reasonable doubt rules in my own life.

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    9. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

      I hold "reasonable doubt" rules, too. And "reasonable" is variable. Tell me you have a dog; great, I believe you, whatever. It's likely, no harm done if you're lying... Tell me you were raped, roughly the same thing. Tell me Bill raped you, I'm going to need a bit more...

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    10. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
      Replying to @cheomitII @HPluckrose @naamamarom

      But I also don't see any reason to automatically assume (lacking specific reason to assume dishonesty) you're making things up. If false reports were more common, sure, more cause for suspicion; but if you're more suspicious of rape than robbery claims, you're being inconsistent

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

      Depends on context again. If someone claims a burglary and is making huge insurance claim, maybe be more suspicious. If someone is making a rape claim and is known to be an ideologue who believes that victimhood is a virtue and an identity, maybe be more suspicious.

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        2. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

          For the purposes of discussion, assume when I compare rape to robbery I mean all things are equal (ie no reason to assume either insurance claim OR "I want to be a victim"). Also, do you have examples of people falsely claiming rape purely/primarily as a badge of status?

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
          Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

          This is what I mean by context tho. I'd find each of those equally believable given lack of motivation.

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        4. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

          But you suggested you'd trust a story from a friend substantially more than from a stranger, no? If the stories were the same, what reason would you have for that?

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
          Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

          Yes. Credibility built up over years of observation of her truthfulness and reasonableness. But I'd know she wasn't mentally ill or malicious or an insane ideologue which I couldn't know about a stranger. In the same way, I would get in the car of a male friend but not a stranger

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        6. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

          But, as I said, you already noted that you had at least one friend who was developing a mental illness. Now, the false accusation may have come after the illness was apparent to you - but surely you could imagine that order being reversed, and your friend being untrustworthy?

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
          Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

          Of course. I could always be wrong to trust the people I trust. But I'm likely to be less wrong than trusting people of whom I have no knowledge. People do establish credibility with their actions and there's a reason we tell kids to go in cars with certain people & not strangers

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        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose @cheomitII @naamamarom

          The best judge of future behaviour is past behaviour and we have the benefit of knowing what that is with our friends which we don't have with strangers. If someone is consistently honest for years, I'll believe her more than someone who consistently lies or someone I don't know

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        9. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

          Why do you think you're likely to be less wrong? Statistically, a few of your friends are likely dodgy; you've seen it a few times yourself. Most rapes, most child abuse, most murders, pretty much all domestic violence - committed by someone the victim trusts, often greatly.

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