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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom @cheomitII

      How will you get a higher rate of successful prosecutions of a crime which nearly always takes place in private and leaves no evidence distinguishable from consensual sex without losing due process and assuming the guilt of the accused?

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    2. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

      You keep conflating social and legal outcomes. Police being more diligent in investigating reports (and not leaving rape kits to rot in store rooms for decades...) would help the legal side. But society doesn't operate on "beyond a reasonable doubt". If you tell me my employee>

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

      No, it operates on rumour and no smoke without fire. We can try to do better tho.

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    4. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

      Often it does. But that's the price you pay for being able to function in a world where you need to act on imperfect information. And what, precisely, do you think needs to be done "better"? Are you suggesting we be more skeptical of people claiming they were robbed?

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

      No but be sceptical of someone claiming a certain individual robbed them without evidence of this. Want a list of the things I've been accused of?

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @cheomitII @naamamarom

      You should assume that I am in the pay of the far-right, that I am a child-abuser, that I am a psychopath, that I lost someone their job through lies, that I practice mind-control and that I am cheating on my husband and am a violent alcoholic who sends hate mail urging suicide

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    7. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

      You'll note I made the same distinction - between how readily we might accept "I was raped" and "Bill raped me". Interestingly, though, false accusations of rape appear more likely to be vague ("some guy in the alley") than specific... http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1077801210387748 …pic.twitter.com/lycAnS5f8j

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    8. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
      Replying to @cheomitII @HPluckrose @naamamarom

      As for what you've been accused of. First, many using slogans seem mean "believe but verify" - assume the accuser is being genuine (not lying) but check what you can. I could check those things. Second, you're conflating rampant online abuse with rare false rape accusations.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

      You were applying it more widely and saying we should accept rape accusations like we accept other things like drunken violence which is one of the things I have been falsely accused of.

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    10. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

      I interpreted "violent alcoholic" differently... so that's relevant. But if I heard a credible story about you being violent when drunk, why shouldn't I take it seriously? Would it be unreasonable for me to pay attention if we went out drinking, at least the first time or two?

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

      If that's all that happens, sure. Verify for yourself. If you become part of an avoidance group, it just strengthens the rumours.

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        2. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

          Yes, that possibility is an unfortunate aspect of human society. It sucks to be on the receiving end of that sort of thing. But I imagine it sucks at least as much if, say, your neighbour doesn't tell you what your priest did to their kid, even if they can't prove it in court.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
          Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

          I would tell people if I thought there was something to be wary of. I'd also believe certain people who told me there was. I'd disbelieve others and retain an open mind for unknowns.

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        4. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

          Yuh, you're basically describing how society functions: we give the best information we can, we trust proportionate to the evidence (and its sources) we have... The problem, now, of course, is that society is no longer "the people I know personally in my little town".

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        5. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
          Replying to @cheomitII @HPluckrose @naamamarom

          So we're stuck evaluating information (accusations) from non-traditional sources - people we don't know personally, who may even be anonymous, for example. But then it comes down to, why privilege equally sound accusations from someone you happen to know over a stranger?

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
          Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

          Because I have a way to assess their credibility based on knowledge of their character when strangers could be any kind of loon.

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        7. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

          But your friend could be a loon, too. You, in fact, stated that you faced this very situation.

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        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
          Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

          Yes, I didn't believe the one who had schizophrenia and often believed she had been raped. But I do believe people who I know to be mentally well and honest. Don't you?

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        9. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

          Depends on the claim, of course, and can't compare long time friend with random twitter egg. But going back a little, I was more comparing people you know somewhat (rather than very well known friends) versus strangers who are just as likely to be mentally well and honest.

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