How will you get a higher rate of successful prosecutions of a crime which nearly always takes place in private and leaves no evidence distinguishable from consensual sex without losing due process and assuming the guilt of the accused?
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None of them were charged with false accusations, btw, but one man's life was ruined and he moved to Italy to escape it. Badly beaten up too. It makes me inclined to uphold reasonable doubt rules in my own life.
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I hold "reasonable doubt" rules, too. And "reasonable" is variable. Tell me you have a dog; great, I believe you, whatever. It's likely, no harm done if you're lying... Tell me you were raped, roughly the same thing. Tell me Bill raped you, I'm going to need a bit more...
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Good. Sensible.
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I agree, no false accusation is acceptable. But the simple fact is that false accusations are made about all sorts of crimes... yet rape accusations are given less weight than crimes with equivalent false accusation rates. This is not evidence of a society taking rape seriously.
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I'm not convinced this is a fact. And I think that when false accusations gain people something, suspicion is more justified.
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I agree. Possible ulterior motive would be one of my "reasonableness" tests. What do you think people typically stand to gain from falsely accusing a person of rape? Do they bear any burdens that might offset that? And what fact are you unconvinced about?
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I'm unconvinced that rape accusations are taken less seriously than other crimes. I think it's the one that its absolutely taboo to doubt but this could be because my circle is liberal lefties.
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People can gain a marginalized identity which equates to a valued victimhood status within a certain extremist identitarian ideology. I'd never assume this even if I knew the person to subscribe to these beliefs because it would be so damaging if wrong. But i'd be wary.
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Especially as I have been told I was raped by several of them when I brought up an example of my second boyfriend whom I did not want to have sex with but didn't say so but signs would have been obvious to more thoughtful, mature man.
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Going backwards... Perhaps you're distinguishing "rape by definition" from "rape" - as in, sex without consent is rape by definition, but if the "victim" decides it wasn't rape, then it wasn't (hope that's clear...). I think I could agree with that distinction.
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It still wouldn't have been if I had decided it was.
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