What crime is taken more seriously?
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Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom
Theft. If I say "my car was stolen", nobody asks "sure you didn't just give it away?". Nobody asks what I was wearing. Nobody says "maybe you teased the thief" or "boys will be boys". Nobody says prisoners should have their car stolen, but "hope he gets raped" is common.
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Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom
You think theft is taken more seriously than rape because people don't give cars away as often as they have consensual sex? Do people really say 'Boys will be boys' about rape? Don't rapists have to be separated from other violent criminals for their own safety?
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I agree that sexual assault of men is not taken very seriously tho, particularly when done by women.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom
That's a definite example. And not because people don't give cars away - because false reports of rape are no more common than false reports of robbery (sorry!) (https://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/the-prevalence-of-false-allegations-of-rape-in-the-united-states-from-20062010-2475-319X-1000119.php?aid=86695 …). If we took rape and robbery equally seriously, we should be equally accepting of reports.pic.twitter.com/8vYhDLcMi4
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Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom
Why are you sorry?! And how can you say both that false reports of rape are rare and that conviction rates are low? Are you assuming the guilt of all the people that juries, with all the evidence at their disposal, couldn't discover to be guilty beyond reasonable doubt?
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How do you suggest we ascertain beyond reasonable doubt that sex was non-consensual as easily as we can show that car theft was non-consensual?
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I wish we could show this but I just don't see how when people have sex all the time but don't give people their cars all the time. It ends up as one person's word against another's. It's horrible that this is the case but it is the case & I don't see a way to change that.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom
I don't have an answer; but I'm also not talking primarily about the legal standard, either. And doesn't have to be a car - if I say my wallet was stolen, I may get a single "you didn't just misplace it?", followed generally by belief when I say I haven't.
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But if you want to say *society* (outside courts) takes rape seriously, it would *at least* have to be more accepting of "I was raped" (even if not of "Bill raped me"), stop celebrating the idea of it happening to "bad guys", treat it more harshly when someone IS convicted, etc.
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I think society does accept this. It's absolutely taboo to doubt it. I got accused of rape apologism for saying the men who made date rape nail varnish were well intentioned and that I would teach my daughter to take precautions.
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