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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Laura C.‏ @naamamarom Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      But he very close to it, and that should scare everyone. We like to say that rape is a horrible crime, but we don't always act like it. Especially when it's a person of interest (athlete, actor, etc...)

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @naamamarom

      What crime is taken more seriously?

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    3. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

      Theft. If I say "my car was stolen", nobody asks "sure you didn't just give it away?". Nobody asks what I was wearing. Nobody says "maybe you teased the thief" or "boys will be boys". Nobody says prisoners should have their car stolen, but "hope he gets raped" is common.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

      You think theft is taken more seriously than rape because people don't give cars away as often as they have consensual sex? Do people really say 'Boys will be boys' about rape? Don't rapists have to be separated from other violent criminals for their own safety?

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @cheomitII @naamamarom

      I agree that sexual assault of men is not taken very seriously tho, particularly when done by women.

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    6. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

      That's a definite example. And not because people don't give cars away - because false reports of rape are no more common than false reports of robbery (sorry!) (https://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/the-prevalence-of-false-allegations-of-rape-in-the-united-states-from-20062010-2475-319X-1000119.php?aid=86695 …). If we took rape and robbery equally seriously, we should be equally accepting of reports.pic.twitter.com/8vYhDLcMi4

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

      Why are you sorry?! And how can you say both that false reports of rape are rare and that conviction rates are low? Are you assuming the guilt of all the people that juries, with all the evidence at their disposal, couldn't discover to be guilty beyond reasonable doubt?

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @cheomitII @naamamarom

      How do you suggest we ascertain beyond reasonable doubt that sex was non-consensual as easily as we can show that car theft was non-consensual?

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @cheomitII @naamamarom

      I wish we could show this but I just don't see how when people have sex all the time but don't give people their cars all the time. It ends up as one person's word against another's. It's horrible that this is the case but it is the case & I don't see a way to change that.

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    10. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

      I don't have an answer; but I'm also not talking primarily about the legal standard, either. And doesn't have to be a car - if I say my wallet was stolen, I may get a single "you didn't just misplace it?", followed generally by belief when I say I haven't.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

      Well, women don't get asked if they accidentally fell on men's dicks either. The police know they will have to get evidence of coercion rather than consent so they have to ask this.

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        2. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

          No, but they do (not always, of course) ask "what were you wearing", "how much had you had to drink", "why were you out alone", and many other completely irrelevant - and dismissive, blame-shifting - questions.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
          Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

          Do they? The drink question is valid, of course. But the others seem immediately actionable.

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        4. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

          The only way the drink question is valid is if it's being used to determine inability to consent (ie were you so drunk that it was definitely rape because you couldn't possibly have consented). Not convinced that's the usual reasoning, though...

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
          Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

          Or to remember. Or if you are still drunk when being interviewed. Police would have to establish if a witness or victim of a crime was in full possession of their faculties.

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