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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @naamamarom

      What crime is taken more seriously?

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    2. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

      Theft. If I say "my car was stolen", nobody asks "sure you didn't just give it away?". Nobody asks what I was wearing. Nobody says "maybe you teased the thief" or "boys will be boys". Nobody says prisoners should have their car stolen, but "hope he gets raped" is common.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

      You think theft is taken more seriously than rape because people don't give cars away as often as they have consensual sex? Do people really say 'Boys will be boys' about rape? Don't rapists have to be separated from other violent criminals for their own safety?

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @cheomitII @naamamarom

      I agree that sexual assault of men is not taken very seriously tho, particularly when done by women.

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    5. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

      That's a definite example. And not because people don't give cars away - because false reports of rape are no more common than false reports of robbery (sorry!) (https://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/the-prevalence-of-false-allegations-of-rape-in-the-united-states-from-20062010-2475-319X-1000119.php?aid=86695 …). If we took rape and robbery equally seriously, we should be equally accepting of reports.pic.twitter.com/8vYhDLcMi4

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

      Why are you sorry?! And how can you say both that false reports of rape are rare and that conviction rates are low? Are you assuming the guilt of all the people that juries, with all the evidence at their disposal, couldn't discover to be guilty beyond reasonable doubt?

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @cheomitII @naamamarom

      How do you suggest we ascertain beyond reasonable doubt that sex was non-consensual as easily as we can show that car theft was non-consensual?

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @cheomitII @naamamarom

      I wish we could show this but I just don't see how when people have sex all the time but don't give people their cars all the time. It ends up as one person's word against another's. It's horrible that this is the case but it is the case & I don't see a way to change that.

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    9. Laura C.‏ @naamamarom Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @cheomitII

      You've actually just pointed out one of the biggest problems that isn't addressed by our justice system, most of the times it will be his word against her word, so beyond reasonable doubt is very hard to reach. But think further about what kind of society you create when rapists.

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    10. Laura C.‏ @naamamarom Apr 10
      Replying to @naamamarom @HPluckrose @cheomitII

      know that most times they will get away with it, that either the woman won't complain, the police will drop the charges or they will win in court. I don't want to see innocent men go to jail - but this problem has to be addressed by the system.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @naamamarom @cheomitII

      How? Should people wear hidden bodycams?

      8:21 PM - 10 Apr 2018
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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom @cheomitII

          How will you get a higher rate of successful prosecutions of a crime which nearly always takes place in private and leaves no evidence distinguishable from consensual sex without losing due process and assuming the guilt of the accused?

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        3. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

          You keep conflating social and legal outcomes. Police being more diligent in investigating reports (and not leaving rape kits to rot in store rooms for decades...) would help the legal side. But society doesn't operate on "beyond a reasonable doubt". If you tell me my employee>

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
          Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

          No, it operates on rumour and no smoke without fire. We can try to do better tho.

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        5. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

          Often it does. But that's the price you pay for being able to function in a world where you need to act on imperfect information. And what, precisely, do you think needs to be done "better"? Are you suggesting we be more skeptical of people claiming they were robbed?

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
          Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

          No but be sceptical of someone claiming a certain individual robbed them without evidence of this. Want a list of the things I've been accused of?

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose @cheomitII @naamamarom

          You should assume that I am in the pay of the far-right, that I am a child-abuser, that I am a psychopath, that I lost someone their job through lies, that I practice mind-control and that I am cheating on my husband and am a violent alcoholic who sends hate mail urging suicide

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        8. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

          You'll note I made the same distinction - between how readily we might accept "I was raped" and "Bill raped me". Interestingly, though, false accusations of rape appear more likely to be vague ("some guy in the alley") than specific... http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1077801210387748 …pic.twitter.com/lycAnS5f8j

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        9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
          Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

          Interesting. Although the three friends I had who made false accusations were all specific tho only one of them was malicious. (She is not my friend any more)

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