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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Laura C.‏ @naamamarom Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      But he very close to it, and that should scare everyone. We like to say that rape is a horrible crime, but we don't always act like it. Especially when it's a person of interest (athlete, actor, etc...)

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @naamamarom

      What crime is taken more seriously?

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

      Theft. If I say "my car was stolen", nobody asks "sure you didn't just give it away?". Nobody asks what I was wearing. Nobody says "maybe you teased the thief" or "boys will be boys". Nobody says prisoners should have their car stolen, but "hope he gets raped" is common.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

      You think theft is taken more seriously than rape because people don't give cars away as often as they have consensual sex? Do people really say 'Boys will be boys' about rape? Don't rapists have to be separated from other violent criminals for their own safety?

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @cheomitII @naamamarom

      I agree that sexual assault of men is not taken very seriously tho, particularly when done by women.

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    6. Cheomit II‏ @cheomitII Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

      That's a definite example. And not because people don't give cars away - because false reports of rape are no more common than false reports of robbery (sorry!) (https://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/the-prevalence-of-false-allegations-of-rape-in-the-united-states-from-20062010-2475-319X-1000119.php?aid=86695 …). If we took rape and robbery equally seriously, we should be equally accepting of reports.pic.twitter.com/8vYhDLcMi4

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @cheomitII @naamamarom

      Why are you sorry?! And how can you say both that false reports of rape are rare and that conviction rates are low? Are you assuming the guilt of all the people that juries, with all the evidence at their disposal, couldn't discover to be guilty beyond reasonable doubt?

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @cheomitII @naamamarom

      How do you suggest we ascertain beyond reasonable doubt that sex was non-consensual as easily as we can show that car theft was non-consensual?

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @cheomitII @naamamarom

      I wish we could show this but I just don't see how when people have sex all the time but don't give people their cars all the time. It ends up as one person's word against another's. It's horrible that this is the case but it is the case & I don't see a way to change that.

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    10. Laura C.‏ @naamamarom Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @cheomitII

      You've actually just pointed out one of the biggest problems that isn't addressed by our justice system, most of the times it will be his word against her word, so beyond reasonable doubt is very hard to reach. But think further about what kind of society you create when rapists.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @naamamarom @cheomitII

      How should the justice system be addressing it?

      8:20 PM - 10 Apr 2018
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        2. Laura C.‏ @naamamarom Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose @cheomitII

          Well ok, this is a long list: the first thing we need is a social change - in our society women's sexuality is over valued and men's is undervalued (which is why men getting raped by women is considered a joke). A social change would inlude educating young adults about consent...

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
          Replying to @naamamarom @cheomitII

          You think they're not? That people rape because no-one has ever explained to them that they need consent?

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        4. Laura C.‏ @naamamarom Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose @cheomitII

          Yes. Like my story before - none of the people with me realized they were talking about sexual assault. I've also heard reports from other women where the rapist tried to make them feel good, but ignored the signs that they did not want to have sex.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
          Replying to @naamamarom @cheomitII

          When men asked each other if they'd be able to stop when about to orgasm?

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        6. Laura C.‏ @naamamarom Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose @cheomitII

          Yes, but the question wasn't if they could stop - but if they would do it.

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        7. Laura C.‏ @naamamarom Apr 10
          Replying to @naamamarom @HPluckrose @cheomitII

          One man actually answered it and said "sorry, at that point a woman is already committed".

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        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
          Replying to @naamamarom @cheomitII

          Hmm, well I am sure you can find someone to say this.

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