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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10

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      We have neither a rape culture nor an abortion culture. We have a culture in which rape is regarded as one of the worst crimes ever and reproductive freedom is a right. I like this culture. https://twitter.com/MitchumsGhost/status/983864799867080705 …

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    2. Laura C.‏ @naamamarom Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      If that was true no one would have voted for Roy Moore, how seriously do we really take sexual assault in this country when we elected a president that bragged about it on tape?

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @naamamarom

      I don't think he was elected for that reason.

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    4. Laura C.‏ @naamamarom Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      But he very close to it, and that should scare everyone. We like to say that rape is a horrible crime, but we don't always act like it. Especially when it's a person of interest (athlete, actor, etc...)

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @naamamarom

      What crime is taken more seriously?

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    6. Laura C.‏ @naamamarom Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      It's not about what crime is taken more seriously - it's that when comparing words to actions, we do not take rape as seriously as we say we do. Roman Polanski got a standing ovation at the oscars. He also raped a child. That's not a culture that takes rape seriously.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @naamamarom

      I don't think these examples of men succeeding despite credible accusations of sexual assault etc are representative of attitudes towards rape. Even murder is more socially acceptable.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @naamamarom

      How could you take rape more seriously? There is already a special register, sentences similar to that for murder, an accusation can sink people utterly, in film it is always the sign of irredeemable evil whilst murder can be cool.

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        2. Laura C.‏ @naamamarom Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          "an accusation can sink people utterly" - but reality shows it doesn't, like roman polanski, trump, roy moore, r. kelly. They do represent a large part of our society - roy moore was very close to winning, almost half of the people who voted for him thought the accusations were..

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
          Replying to @naamamarom

          They don't. They represent a few individuals who have significance to people for other ideological/political reasons.

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        4. Laura C.‏ @naamamarom Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Which is exactly the point - if people really took rape seriously the significance of those people wouldn't matter. It's like if someone is your favorite artist or politican you give them a free pass for rape. That's not how a culture that takes rape seriously work.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
          Replying to @naamamarom

          I'm not convinced of this. I think this is better explained by people's willingness to rationalise or overlook things when it suits their larger ideological/political purposes. I'd agree that people don't rape so much more seriously than everything else that it overcomes this.

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        6. Laura C.‏ @naamamarom Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          There's also the issue of what happens when we remove the word rape and just talk about what's acceptable and what's not. I remember a talk with some guy friends (all of them I consider good people) where someone asked in the middle - if a girl tells you to stop right before---

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        7. Laura C.‏ @naamamarom Apr 10
          Replying to @naamamarom @HPluckrose

          you orgasm, what do you do? None of them even understood they're talking about sexual assault.

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