We have neither a rape culture nor an abortion culture. We have a culture in which rape is regarded as one of the worst crimes ever and reproductive freedom is a right. I like this culture. https://twitter.com/MitchumsGhost/status/983864799867080705 …
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Theft. If I say "my car was stolen", nobody asks "sure you didn't just give it away?". Nobody asks what I was wearing. Nobody says "maybe you teased the thief" or "boys will be boys". Nobody says prisoners should have their car stolen, but "hope he gets raped" is common.
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You think theft is taken more seriously than rape because people don't give cars away as often as they have consensual sex? Do people really say 'Boys will be boys' about rape? Don't rapists have to be separated from other violent criminals for their own safety?
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I agree that sexual assault of men is not taken very seriously tho, particularly when done by women.
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That's a definite example. And not because people don't give cars away - because false reports of rape are no more common than false reports of robbery (sorry!) (https://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/the-prevalence-of-false-allegations-of-rape-in-the-united-states-from-20062010-2475-319X-1000119.php?aid=86695 …). If we took rape and robbery equally seriously, we should be equally accepting of reports.pic.twitter.com/8vYhDLcMi4
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Why are you sorry?! And how can you say both that false reports of rape are rare and that conviction rates are low? Are you assuming the guilt of all the people that juries, with all the evidence at their disposal, couldn't discover to be guilty beyond reasonable doubt?
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How do you suggest we ascertain beyond reasonable doubt that sex was non-consensual as easily as we can show that car theft was non-consensual?
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I wish we could show this but I just don't see how when people have sex all the time but don't give people their cars all the time. It ends up as one person's word against another's. It's horrible that this is the case but it is the case & I don't see a way to change that.
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It's not about what crime is taken more seriously - it's that when comparing words to actions, we do not take rape as seriously as we say we do. Roman Polanski got a standing ovation at the oscars. He also raped a child. That's not a culture that takes rape seriously.
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I don't think these examples of men succeeding despite credible accusations of sexual assault etc are representative of attitudes towards rape. Even murder is more socially acceptable.
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How could you take rape more seriously? There is already a special register, sentences similar to that for murder, an accusation can sink people utterly, in film it is always the sign of irredeemable evil whilst murder can be cool.
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"an accusation can sink people utterly" - but reality shows it doesn't, like roman polanski, trump, roy moore, r. kelly. They do represent a large part of our society - roy moore was very close to winning, almost half of the people who voted for him thought the accusations were..
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They don't. They represent a few individuals who have significance to people for other ideological/political reasons.
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Which is exactly the point - if people really took rape seriously the significance of those people wouldn't matter. It's like if someone is your favorite artist or politican you give them a free pass for rape. That's not how a culture that takes rape seriously work.
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I'm not convinced of this. I think this is better explained by people's willingness to rationalise or overlook things when it suits their larger ideological/political purposes. I'd agree that people don't rape so much more seriously than everything else that it overcomes this.
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There's also the issue of what happens when we remove the word rape and just talk about what's acceptable and what's not. I remember a talk with some guy friends (all of them I consider good people) where someone asked in the middle - if a girl tells you to stop right before---
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