I feel strongly about this because someone I love still grieves for his lost potential child and remembers her birthday although he respected his ex-girlfriend's right to make that choice after they split up. I lost two embryos I thought of as babies so I know that grief is real
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Curious (genuinely) what you think about the reverse scenario. Birth control fails, man doesnt want child & woman does. Here it seems to me like she should be free to have the child but there should be a mechanism for man to legally opt out of responsibility.
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I've had this conversation too many times. Am sick of it. The decision to abort a foetus is not comparable to the decision to sign a piece of paper knowing that your baby will live but you won't have to pay for it.
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Wasnt suggesting equivalence exactly but it is a problem and it seems like theres a possible solution available. Generally agree with your position on the first situation.
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I don't see a straightforward solution until men can get pregnant or women can sign away their pregnancy in the knowledge that it will live and be cared for. Until then, we have to accept that biological inequality makes identical rights impossible.
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That i dont agree with at all but will leave it. Thanks fer time anyway.
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For every guy who’s upset at the thought of a gf aborting his baby, there is a guy kicking his girlfriend out of the apartment because she got pregnant. That’s why women have little sympathy. I have a friend who’s husband divorced her because she wanted to keep a baby.
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I think plenty of women have sympathy. It's surely not normal to mock 'male tears' at grief of the loss of a baby? We, of all people, know what that feels like? 1 in 3 first pregnancies end in miscarriage. We're not callously indifferent to men who grieve coz bastards exist?
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It's... maybe not normal, but I don't think it's really abnormal either. Contempt for "male tears" is deeply rooted in our society, after all; feminists tend to be more juvenile and openly sadistic about it but they're basically just following the "patriarchy's" lead.
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This really hits home for me. My ex got pregnant in secret to "save our relationship." I told her I would be there for our child and take whatever degree of custody she saw fit, but that our toxic relationship had to end. She had an abortion less than a week later.
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She called me from the clinic with an ultimatum, I had to propose or she would abort. When I tried to explain my point of view, she hung up on me.
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Jesus.
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I understand that what happened to me isn't the norm but I can't be the only person who has been through something like that. Sometimes I wish I had married her, sometimes I feel responsible for what happened. That was a decade ago, I have a family now but I'll never forget.
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Imagine if I advised women whose boyfriends pressured them to have abortions to "get yourself a boyfriend who wants kids."
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Your story hurt to read. I am sorry you had to go through that.
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it happened to a very good friend of mine. They got pregnant. He was extatic. She aborted without telling him. He was devastated. Nearly became depressed.
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I also had the opposite happen. A very good friend of mine had a fling. The woman got pregnant on purpose, lied about being on the pill. Took the kid and ran, moved to Austrialia (from Sweden).
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Its almost as if there are assholes of both genders. The difference being that our assholes created mgtow and your assholes are apparently an accurate reflection of men in general. Its one of the reasons for my refusal to identify as a feminist.
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The guys that created mgtow are probably those that had women getting impregnated and then refusing visitation right but demanding childsupport. Dad built half his legal practice helping those poor guys. I have such horror stories to tell, nearly didn't have kids bc of it.
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In my opinion if you as a single parent demand no visitation rights you should automatically loose the right to alimony and child support. (In Sweden were I was born it's now automatic 50/50 custody thanks to lawyers like my dad).
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Yes it should be automatically 50/50 everywhere. Good on your dad for working against judicial abuse. I was lucky enough to be too young for my own parents divorce but was witness to my mom's second divorce. Its sickening how people behave in that situation.
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