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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10

      We can certain draw parallels between Marxism and feminism/antiracism/LGBT activism in that both believe in an oppressor class and an oppressed class and an oppressive system which needs to be overthrown to liberate the oppressed class and, quite possibly, punish the oppressors.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10

      But this is a consistent feature of liberalism which long predates Marx. The relevant point is less whether a perception of an oppressive system and oppressed and oppressor classes exists but whether this perception is correct.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10

      Feudalism, patriarchy, theocracy, slavery, apartheid were all oppressive systems which actually existed, oppressed certain classes of people and gave power to others. This doesn't make organised attempts to oppose them essentially Marxism.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10

      No-one suggests it does in those cases because it is clear that these perceptions of oppressive systems was correct. Social Justice activists see themselves as carrying on this liberal tradition of dismantling oppressive systems. The question is 'Are their perceptions correct?'

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10

      Even better, 'To what extent are their perceptions correct?' It's a really bad idea to consider all perceptions of society which see a system that perpetuates oppressed and oppressor classes in a way you consider to be wrong as a variation of Marxism. Cultural Marxism.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10

      It's a bad idea because it focuses on the perception of oppressive systems as the problem rather than whether those perceptions are correct or to what extent they are correct. The latter is needed for any honest & evidence based refutation of the underlying ideas.

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        2. dorothy from kansas‏ @nexttonormie Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Not exactly relevant to your thread, but I just want to say that learning of your existence has been a highlight for me this year. Thanks for all of your thought-provoking threads! I cannot help but read them with your soothing accent in mind. I hope you have a great day!

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
          Replying to @nexttonormie

          :)

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        1. Dave Thompson‏ @DaveJohnT Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          The problem arises when the starting point is ideological and the subsequent method of analysis is deductive. Political ideologies at best generate rough approximations of reality and always need to be tested against evidence. Alas, for many, that involves too much work.

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        2. Gil Reich‏ @GilR Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I think most young people have a crisis/hero narrative in their head. For 8 year old boys that may be fighting Injuns or saving the damsel in distress. At adolescence we move towards simplified political narratives where we're the hero. 1/2

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        3. Gil Reich‏ @GilR Apr 10
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          For some people, it's always Munich 1938. For others, it's always 1965 in Selma Alabama. And we're the heroes fighting evil. We often unconsciously demonize good people so they can play the villains in our fantasy. 2/2

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        1. CondenserMike‏ @CondenserMick Apr 10
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          "under capitalism, man exploits man. under socialism, it's the other way 'round"

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        1. Jeremy Spradlin‏ @jkspradlin Apr 10
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          Calling out cultural Marxism doesn’t avoid the question of whether or not they’re wrong, it moves the discussion right to the meat of the matter. All systems are oppressive, CM just says that an enlightened minority should rule, you know, like a new feudal system.

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