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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 9

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Jarod Campbell

      Objecting to being prevented from speaking to people who want to hear you is *not* the Fallacy of Demanding to be Heard. That fallacy is when you insist you have the right to be heard by people who *don't* want to hear you.https://twitter.com/jarodcampbell1/status/983338389238898689 …

      Helen Pluckrose added,

      Jarod Campbell @jarodcampbell1
      @RickRMehta https://mobile.twitter.com/AreoMagazine/status/982603006007889920 … I guess you were being irrational when you were mad about the panel you were meant to attend was shut down. That wasn't a free speech issue at all.
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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 9

      We likened this to freedom of religion, @jarodcampbell1. Freedom of religion does not allow anyone to prevent religious people congregating & talking to each other about their beliefs. This does not include the right to make people who don't want to hear about it listen.

      7:08 AM - 9 Apr 2018
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        2. James Silver‏ @jam_silver Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose @jarodcampbell1

          I suspect you would admit that there *are* fiddly grey areas to this sort of distinction? What about folk who aren't (yet) aware of the group/message? Of proclaiming a message on a street corner, or a billboard advert? What're the modern equivalents?

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
          Replying to @jam_silver @jarodcampbell1

          Huh?

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        4. James Silver‏ @jam_silver Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose @jarodcampbell1

          How do you categorise proselytising?

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
          Replying to @jam_silver @jarodcampbell1

          Well, I'm not sure that has its own category but for our purposes here, say what you want but don't force anyone to listen to you. You can proclaim a message on a street corner but you can't make people stay and listen to it.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. James Silver‏ @jam_silver Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose @jarodcampbell1

          Cool. The reason I suggest there are shades of grey involved, is because I doubt it's clear what counts as fair game "street corner" in various contexts.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
          Replying to @jam_silver @jarodcampbell1

          I think it has to be somewhere someone can get away from.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        8. James Silver‏ @jam_silver Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose @jarodcampbell1

          Yeah, agreed. I wonder if e.g. Twitter lacks a meaningful "street corner" on which folk can "proselytise" (street preaching still *feels* like expression after all). Perhaps explains some of the attention-seeking; after all where *else* is there here except someone's timeline?

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        9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 10
          Replying to @jam_silver @jarodcampbell1

          I'm not sure what you mean. People should be able to say whatever they want on Twitter. Other people have the means not to listen to them.

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        2. Jarod Campbell‏ @jarodcampbell1 Apr 9
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Like I said on the other thread. The event was cancelled due to another panelist deciding they did not want to hear Rick's speech. It actually does fit this description.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 9
          Replying to @jarodcampbell1

          If Rick demanded that he must hear him, yes. Otherwise, no.

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        1. IGOToAllNations‏ @IGONations Apr 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose @jarodcampbell1

          So clear. So true. Such a useful tweet...

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