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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 9

      This one sounds like he is 20s, Indian, middle-class & male. Demographically, he is likely to be conservative generally, dog-rejecting & tea-loving. But as I said, he's also much less likely to discuss his politics with me coz tech people tend to be single-focused.

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    2. Sam  🇪🇪‏ @clifford_banes Apr 9
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Question about "middle-class" in a British context. "Techie" seems like a blue-collarish job, so what makes him middle rather than working class? Just an accent and manner of speaking that you wouldn't hear from a ditch digger?

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 9
      Replying to @clifford_banes

      Middle-class accent, yes. Also, no, techie is not considered blue-collar but college graduates making good money.

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    4. Sam  🇪🇪‏ @clifford_banes Apr 9
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      As a non-Brit, economic classes having accents is odd. I thought middle-class roughly meant "vaguely posh bourgeoisie", David Mitchell being the stereotypical example. In most places, if you can tell a person's economic class by their speech, they're unemployable juggalo types.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 9
      Replying to @clifford_banes

      It's very much down to accent here. Upper class people can be poor. Working class people can be rich. The middle class breaks into upper middle, middle middle and lower middle. David Mitchell is at the top of middle middle, bottom of upper middle. I am middle middle middle.

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    6. Sam  🇪🇪‏ @clifford_banes Apr 9
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Is middle class vs working class sort of like "acting white" vs "keeping it real"?

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 9
      Replying to @clifford_banes

      No. Much much older. Predates our racial diversity by centuries. We didn't really have black Brits until the 50s and South Asian Brits until the 80s. They kind of slot in to pre-existing categories depending on their British accent.

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    8. Sam  🇪🇪‏ @clifford_banes Apr 9
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I meant in the American context, as in a reluctance to self-gentrify by adopting the language and dress of a group previously above yours, even though such social mobility is readily available.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 9
      Replying to @clifford_banes

      No, that context doesn't work here. Your history is very specific with blacks & whites living alongside each other with blacks as a lower class for centuries. Our racial issues align more with American attitudes to Asians - east and south.

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    10. Sam  🇪🇪‏ @clifford_banes Apr 9
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I'm not American, and I'm not talking about racial issues per se, just using it as an analog because US cultural hegemony has likely made this an example we are both familiar with.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 9
      Replying to @clifford_banes

      Oh, I see. Sorry. Although we still have a strong awareness of social & geographical location just from each other's voices and snobbery & reverse snobbery does exist, the class structure is very malleable & it is frowned upon to judge people by class.

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        1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 9
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          People who tell me outright that I am less posh than they thought from my tweets are making a neutral observation, not a value-laden one.

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