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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 5

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted

    I think women do do more unpaid work, yes. The thing is that we don't have to do more cleaning or cooking or caring for children or elderly parents. We do have choices here & the ability to work things out with partners. https://twitter.com/CCriadoPerez/status/981273223382880257 …

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      2. Mike‏ @citation_needed Apr 5
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I am wondering; why does Perez think that an employer should pay someone for work that said person isn't doing for them? Last time I checked employers paid you for the work you did for them, not for your partner or family. Unless she's proposing that spouses pay each other...

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      3. Mike‏ @citation_needed Apr 5
        Replying to @citation_needed @HPluckrose

        ...but that's edging towards a radically different kind of arrangement involving paying the person you have sex with. Here's the thing; you don't care for the people you love because they pay you. You do it because you love them. The "we should be paid!" attitude is sociopathic.

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      2. MahdDogg "King Dong"‏ @MahdDogg Apr 5
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        People like Perez make a whole bunch of assumptions that ignore relationship dynamics and assume choices are not made willingly between two partners. Which is wholly ignorant.

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      3. Chris Baker‏ @Zacnaloen Apr 5
        Replying to @MahdDogg @HPluckrose

        indeed. if I do it gets done poorly because my idea of clean is completely different to the missus. so what ends up happening is I do incremental clean ups as I have more time to but it's never spotless and then she finishes off and makes things all nice when she has the time.

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      4. Chris Baker‏ @Zacnaloen Apr 5
        Replying to @Zacnaloen @MahdDogg @HPluckrose

        in her mind, I never do any cleaning. in my mind I clean all the time.

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      5. MahdDogg "King Dong"‏ @MahdDogg Apr 5
        Replying to @Zacnaloen @HPluckrose

        This is real issue, perception is not fact. People like Perez have a perception of a situation that has no bearing on reality then try to manipulate data to back it up through cherry picking and ignoring data that counters their perception. It's gaslighting on a societal scale

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      2.  🥄 🦓 🎃(っ◔◡◔)っ ᔕρ𝓸ỖƤⓎ 𝔍𝔞𝔡𝔢  🎃 🦓 🥄‏ @Librumtinia Apr 5
        Replying to @ClaudeL1979 @HPluckrose

        I don't really consider it unpaid tbh. If one partner works and the other stays at home tending to things there, their "pay" is the financial support earned by their partner. As Helen put it, we all have choices about these things and we can work it out with our partners. It's

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        Replying to @Librumtinia @ClaudeL1979 @HPluckrose

        Not exactly hard, and nobody is forcing slave labor lmao. I don't understand why it's a big deal, myself. I've always been more housewifely because of my disabilities and as I can't work, I'm more than happy for that to be my contribution so my partner has a clean home and a hot,

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        Replying to @Librumtinia @ClaudeL1979 @HPluckrose

        Home cooked meal to come home to after a hard day of work. It's a division of labor that works very well.

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      5. Just a Humanist‏ @ClaudeL1979 Apr 5
        Replying to @Librumtinia @HPluckrose

        And there's absolutely nothing wrong with it if you're both happy with the arrangement.

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      6.  🥄 🦓 🎃(っ◔◡◔)っ ᔕρ𝓸ỖƤⓎ 𝔍𝔞𝔡𝔢  🎃 🦓 🥄‏ @Librumtinia Apr 5
        Replying to @ClaudeL1979 @HPluckrose

        Exactly. I don't get why people are making such a big deal out of arrangements like that; yes they're 'old fashioned' but so what? LOL

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      1. WildService‏ @_wildservice Apr 5
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Also, it's not as if the man hordes all the wealth he gains from all this glorious man's work. He uses it to support the household and provide for his children's future, at the expense of his family life. I don't undertsand this take that covets working all your life.

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      1. Russ Erickson‏ @Russ_Erickson Apr 5
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Wage $ are essentially a rough translation of a fraction of your added value during the time you worked. Farmers don’t pay themselves for plowing or tending the herd, but would negotiate a wage for a hired hand. Likewise with household chores, lest we be on Downton Abbey.

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      1. T.J.‏ @tjaffry Apr 5
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Is she proposing the government pay women somehow for the unpaid house work?

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      2. Michael A. Lowry‏ @mlowry Apr 5
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Michael A. Lowry Retweeted Helen Pluckrose

        Usually the partner who works & earns more outside the home contributes more financially to the family. This can take the form of an allowance to the one who does more housework or child rearing. If necessary, couples should write up a contract for this. @HPluckrose @CCriadoPerezhttps://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/981839582110117888 …

        Michael A. Lowry added,

        Helen Pluckrose @HPluckrose
        I think women do do more unpaid work, yes. The thing is that we don't have to do more cleaning or cooking or caring for children or elderly parents. We do have choices here & the ability to work things out with partners. https://twitter.com/CCriadoPerez/status/981273223382880257 …
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      3. Suzy Lebovitz‏ @suzylebo Apr 5
        Replying to @mlowry @HPluckrose @CCriadoPerez

        If you obsess about making everything 50/50, both ppl lose. Both should respect what the other brings to the relationship & cohabitation. Showing appreciation/being supportive comes in many forms.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Kathryn Hogan‏ @KathrynmHogan Apr 5
        Replying to @suzylebo @mlowry and

        Well said! A happy home isn't 50/50, it's both people doing as much as they can for the team out of love for each other!!

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Michael A. Lowry‏ @mlowry Apr 5
        Replying to @KathrynmHogan @suzylebo and

        Obviously written contracts are only for relationships that need them. Most of the people who need them won’t realize it at first. Sadly, many relationships that begin equitably evolve (or devolve) over time to become somewhat less magnanimous.

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