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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 4

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Tomas De Torquemada

    This is what is happening a lot tho. We are told to read things through entirely different & politically-charged things. At university, I was told I couldn't say that colour prejudice wasn't a huge thing in 16th century England because of 21st century American race politics.https://twitter.com/TomasDeTorque/status/981615941208469505 …

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    Tomas De Torquemada @TomasDeTorque
    Replying to @HPluckrose
    I think that’s just someone trying to find blame where it doesn’t exist. This case has nothing to do with slavery in the USA. I just find the case completely bizarre.
    12:40 PM - 4 Apr 2018
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      2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 4

        There is also a worrying tendency among UK lefties to apply US racial hermeneutics to UK race issues which simply doesn't work. You really need to look at your own history to understand prejudices and stereotypes.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 4

        eg, a London BLM activist was telling British (south) Asians to check their privilege because they don't experience the same degree of racism that black Brits do & citing US anti-racist activists to do this. This was countered with quite a lot of evidence to the contrary.

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      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 4

        Whilst the US has a long history of racial issues which are naturally very much dominated by the oppression of African Americans, the UK has a different histories. Black immigrants from the commonwealth came in the 50s & were mostly Christian.

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 4

        They got a lot of horrendous racism. South Asian immigrants came mostly in the 80s and they were mostly not Christian. This presented an extra layer of grounds for prejudice because of much less intermarriage and assimilation due to religious differences.

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      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 4

        This was the response from a knowledgeable Indian anthropologist studying racism anyway. I have not researched this well enough to confirm but I do see racism mostly in the form of anti-Muslim bigotry which extends to anyone who looks like they might be Muslim - brown people.

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 4

        Before anyone tells me that criticism of Islam is not racism, I know this. It's legitimate. Racism against brown people is quite a different matter tho & is related. 'Paki-bashing' which happened a lot in the 80s & 90s was not a religious critique.

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      8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 4

        I also saw someone object to a white person referring to a young black adult as 'Charlie-boy', which is a common nickname, because of the racist connotations of the word 'boy' as historically applied to black men in the US. Context matters, people.

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      2. Chris Baker‏ @Zacnaloen Apr 4
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        this makes so little sense that I'm not even sure what you are actually saying

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 4
        Replying to @Zacnaloen

        I pointed out, using good sources, that colour prejudice became dominant with the rise of the Atlantic slave trade. Before that, sources showed prejudice against foreigners to be focused primarily on religion and then various differences including customs & language & colour.

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      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 4
        Replying to @HPluckrose @Zacnaloen

        Therefore, we should not expect Shakespeare's audience to have the same primary focus on race in terms of colour as we do & not be surprised he depicted Othello's as easily overcome. I cited Haidt on this - we can make ppl care less abt race by having shared goals.

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 4
        Replying to @HPluckrose @Zacnaloen

        The comment: Your Haidt quote is problematic. I wonder what black communities in America would say about the idea that race doesn't matter.

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      6. Chris Baker‏ @Zacnaloen Apr 4
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        pic.twitter.com/Op2qYeIF2D

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      1. Tomas De Torquemada‏ @TomasDeTorque Apr 4
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Yes we have to now view history through today’s moral lense. Pointless. In the 70s we collected golliwog stickers off Robinson’s jam jars to earn golliwog metal badges. We weren’t racist one bit.

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