Exactly. This law if enacted would overturn those rules. This is the point. They want an absolute right to freedom of expression. There is already a qualified right in Article 10. Qualifies because schools etc. can overrule it.
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Replying to @TomasDeTorque
No, they don't. They want governments not to punish people for speech. Schools can still punish bullies. Employers can still fire them.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
You’re not listening to me. Do you know what the ECHR is? They are effectively asking for Art. 10 to be made absolute. If that was the case, schools could not stop bullies from saying anything they wanted. By doing so it would be the same as killing them (Art. 2).
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Replying to @TomasDeTorque
Show me. The ECHR wants to stop schools tackling bullies?
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Replying to @HPluckrose
Not currently, that’s my point. This petition would cause it.
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Replying to @TomasDeTorque
Don't be so silly. Best case scenario, the government has to debate making a free speech act and getting rid of hate speech laws. They are very unlikely to say 'I know! Lets take control of schools away from teachers too!'
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Replying to @HPluckrose
Please don’t call me silly, that’s not like you. I have experience in this area. Please research ECHR specifically Article 10 and also look at Europe wide caselaw.
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Replying to @TomasDeTorque
It's not like you to be silly! Will that show me that preventing arrests for speech will also prevent schools from disciplining children for it?
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Replying to @HPluckrose
They are one and the same thing. How would you write a law that allowed one person to freely express themselves with absolutely NO government intervention, but then say this other person has crossed the line (a line that no longer exists)?
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Replying to @TomasDeTorque
There already are different lines for where people are allowed to express certain ideas and this corresponds with the 'not forcing others to hear it' thing. There is no freedom of speech where people cannot avoid it.
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eg, the government has no right to prevent people from using mobile phones. Schools have the right to prevent children from using mobile phones on the premises. Nobody is suing.
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