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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 2
      Replying to @HPluckrose @TomasDeTorque

      I consistently argue for the free expression of ideas. This is petition for the free expression of ideas. Look at what it's asking for.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    2. Tomas De Torquemada‏ @TomasDeTorque Apr 2
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Remember we discussed shouting “Fire” in a cinema and you said that was Free Speech and what you wanted was not that, it was Freedom to Express opinions...pic.twitter.com/7GB3A398ef

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 2
      Replying to @TomasDeTorque

      That's right, yes. That is what by freedom of speech and it is what it asked for here. This is not asking for the right to cause a stampede, is it?

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 2
      Replying to @HPluckrose @TomasDeTorque

      The right to freedom of speech should be called the right to freedom of expression because that would be clearer about what it covers. It doesn't cover causing a stampede, breaking confidentiality laws, committing espionage, commissioning a crime etc.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Tomas De Torquemada‏ @TomasDeTorque Apr 2
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Exactly, so this petition is wrong and should be amended. What it should say is “We petition the government to introduce legislation protecting Freedom of Expr... oh wait, Article 10 ECHR, that”.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 2
      Replying to @TomasDeTorque

      I also agree that freedom of speech would be better called freedom of expression to avoid people saying 'But you can't shout fire in a theatre' and completely missing the point but it isn't called that so we have to keep explaining that is what it means.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Tomas De Torquemada‏ @TomasDeTorque Apr 2
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      We already have it. Article 10. This is a stunt.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 2
      Replying to @TomasDeTorque

      So, we've had no arrests for burning poppies, saying British soldiers should die and go to hell, saying transitioning children is wrong and teaching a dog a Nazi salute? The police are not explicitly saying they will arrest people for tweets? This is what we are countering.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 2
      Replying to @HPluckrose @TomasDeTorque

      How would you phrase bringing in a new act which allows people to express these ideas?

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    10. Tomas De Torquemada‏ @TomasDeTorque Apr 2
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      So you want people to be able to say whatever they like in whatever way they like and to whomever they like? Irrespective of the damage it may cause to people or a person?

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 2
      Replying to @TomasDeTorque

      No, not to whomever they like. There is no right to harass people or make them listen to you. People have been arrested for general tweets, facebook posts and youtube videos.

      5:42 PM - 2 Apr 2018
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        2. Tomas De Torquemada‏ @TomasDeTorque Apr 2
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          This petition is not asking for a law to allow general tweets etc. It is asking for people to be able to express their views with NO restrictions. NO government intervention. You really want that?

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 2
          Replying to @TomasDeTorque

          No, it is not. Show me where it says this. It does not ask for the right to force others to listen to you.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Tomas De Torquemada‏ @TomasDeTorque Apr 2
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Please show me where I said anything about forcing others to listen?! Please address my tweet, not something else.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 2
          Replying to @TomasDeTorque

          You said 'to anyone you want' and I said 'no'. That is the restriction.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Tomas De Torquemada‏ @TomasDeTorque Apr 2
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Please address this tweet and think about what it would enable in reality...pic.twitter.com/kxCMFdZx0y

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 2
          Replying to @TomasDeTorque

          I have answered that there is a restriction. They are not allowed to make anyone else listen. Harassment laws remain.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 2
          Replying to @HPluckrose @TomasDeTorque

          Having accepted that freedom of speech does not include the right to inflict your speech on unwilling listeners, yes, I really want people to be able to express any ideas without restriction.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        9. Tomas De Torquemada‏ @TomasDeTorque Apr 2
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          So the victims have to run away from the speaker, or avoid social media?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
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