Yes I know. You’re promoting it though. This goes totally against your position in our previous conversation on this issue.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @TomasDeTorque
I consistently argue for the free expression of ideas. This is petition for the free expression of ideas. Look at what it's asking for.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
Remember we discussed shouting “Fire” in a cinema and you said that was Free Speech and what you wanted was not that, it was Freedom to Express opinions...pic.twitter.com/7GB3A398ef
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Replying to @TomasDeTorque
That's right, yes. That is what by freedom of speech and it is what it asked for here. This is not asking for the right to cause a stampede, is it?
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Replying to @HPluckrose
It is asking for the ability to say what you like without government intervention. How can they be anything other than the right to shout “Fire” in a cinema if you want?pic.twitter.com/LhNDnRpTvT
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Replying to @TomasDeTorque
The right of freedom of speech has long been established to mean the freedom to express ideas & this is what it describes here. You don't seriously think they actually secretly want the right to cause stampedes and kill people? That's crazy.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
Of course not but I’m making 2 points. Firstly you are right that they are asking for the wrong thing. Secondly, we already have this, Article 10. This is just a stunt.
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Replying to @TomasDeTorque
We do not already have this. It refers to a series of events recently where the government has interfered with speech and people have been arrested and that is because they happened. Also, the government responded to the petition that they'll continue to do this.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
That’s because the petition is asking for something different to what you want. It wants complete freedom of speech (maybe they mean expression?). How come the whole of Europe accepts the qualified rights of Article 10 yet suddenly it’s not good enough for the UK (Scotland?)
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No, it doesn't. It gives no indication of wanting the right to do anything other than stopping the government from punishing people for expressing ideas it doesn't like. I don't know how to answer the end bit. If all of Europe thinks its OK to punish speech, it's wrong.
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