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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 2

      Brit tweeps: Petition: Create a Freedom of Speech Act and Bring an End to "Hate Speech" lawshttps://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/203615 …

      5 replies 15 retweets 28 likes
    2. Tomas De Torquemada‏ @TomasDeTorque Apr 2
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I thought you were against ‘Free Speech’ in favour of ‘Freedom of Expression’?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 2
      Replying to @TomasDeTorque

      I didn't make it.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Tomas De Torquemada‏ @TomasDeTorque Apr 2
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Yes I know. You’re promoting it though. This goes totally against your position in our previous conversation on this issue.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 2
      Replying to @TomasDeTorque

      No, it doesn't!

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 2
      Replying to @HPluckrose @TomasDeTorque

      I consistently argue for the free expression of ideas. This is petition for the free expression of ideas. Look at what it's asking for.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Tomas De Torquemada‏ @TomasDeTorque Apr 2
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Remember we discussed shouting “Fire” in a cinema and you said that was Free Speech and what you wanted was not that, it was Freedom to Express opinions...pic.twitter.com/7GB3A398ef

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 2
      Replying to @TomasDeTorque

      That's right, yes. That is what by freedom of speech and it is what it asked for here. This is not asking for the right to cause a stampede, is it?

      5:26 PM - 2 Apr 2018
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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 2
          Replying to @HPluckrose @TomasDeTorque

          The right to freedom of speech should be called the right to freedom of expression because that would be clearer about what it covers. It doesn't cover causing a stampede, breaking confidentiality laws, committing espionage, commissioning a crime etc.

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        3. Tomas De Torquemada‏ @TomasDeTorque Apr 2
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Exactly, so this petition is wrong and should be amended. What it should say is “We petition the government to introduce legislation protecting Freedom of Expr... oh wait, Article 10 ECHR, that”.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 2
          Replying to @TomasDeTorque

          I also agree that freedom of speech would be better called freedom of expression to avoid people saying 'But you can't shout fire in a theatre' and completely missing the point but it isn't called that so we have to keep explaining that is what it means.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        5. Tomas De Torquemada‏ @TomasDeTorque Apr 2
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          We already have it. Article 10. This is a stunt.

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 2
          Replying to @TomasDeTorque

          So, we've had no arrests for burning poppies, saying British soldiers should die and go to hell, saying transitioning children is wrong and teaching a dog a Nazi salute? The police are not explicitly saying they will arrest people for tweets? This is what we are countering.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 2
          Replying to @HPluckrose @TomasDeTorque

          How would you phrase bringing in a new act which allows people to express these ideas?

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        8. Tomas De Torquemada‏ @TomasDeTorque Apr 2
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          So you want people to be able to say whatever they like in whatever way they like and to whomever they like? Irrespective of the damage it may cause to people or a person?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 2
          Replying to @TomasDeTorque

          No, not to whomever they like. There is no right to harass people or make them listen to you. People have been arrested for general tweets, facebook posts and youtube videos.

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        2. Tomas De Torquemada‏ @TomasDeTorque Apr 2
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          It is asking for the ability to say what you like without government intervention. How can they be anything other than the right to shout “Fire” in a cinema if you want?pic.twitter.com/LhNDnRpTvT

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 2
          Replying to @TomasDeTorque

          The right of freedom of speech has long been established to mean the freedom to express ideas & this is what it describes here. You don't seriously think they actually secretly want the right to cause stampedes and kill people? That's crazy.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Tomas De Torquemada‏ @TomasDeTorque Apr 2
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Of course not but I’m making 2 points. Firstly you are right that they are asking for the wrong thing. Secondly, we already have this, Article 10. This is just a stunt.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 2
          Replying to @TomasDeTorque

          We do not already have this. It refers to a series of events recently where the government has interfered with speech and people have been arrested and that is because they happened. Also, the government responded to the petition that they'll continue to do this.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Tomas De Torquemada‏ @TomasDeTorque Apr 2
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          That’s because the petition is asking for something different to what you want. It wants complete freedom of speech (maybe they mean expression?). How come the whole of Europe accepts the qualified rights of Article 10 yet suddenly it’s not good enough for the UK (Scotland?)

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 2
          Replying to @TomasDeTorque

          No, it doesn't. It gives no indication of wanting the right to do anything other than stopping the government from punishing people for expressing ideas it doesn't like. I don't know how to answer the end bit. If all of Europe thinks its OK to punish speech, it's wrong.

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