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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 2

    Just been told my support for same sex marriage is emotional & not rational. On one level, it is. I do think marriage is about emotion rather than reason for the most part. It's usually about loving commitment rather than...I don't know, what would be a rational reason?

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      1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 2

        There is a difference between emotional reasoning which is flawed reasoning and recognising that emotional wellbeing is a thing that actually exists and that allowing people to do things which make them happy and don't hurt anyone else is positive in society.

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      2. James Burnett‏ @james_burnett_ Apr 2
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        You can support civil partnerships, which have the same legal standing, and still want "marriage" to be the term which describes a male/female institution.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Apr 2
        Replying to @james_burnett_

        Yes, or I can support marriage for same sex couples because I see no reason it should be a male/female institution.

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      4. James Burnett‏ @james_burnett_ Apr 2
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Sure. But there is a fair amount of biology and tradition behind the word "marriage".

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      2. Vincent Morrone Author‏ @Vince524 Apr 2
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Rational reasons: A) equality. B) public interest. A married couple lives longer, takes care of each other. C) better for potential children

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      3. Vincent Morrone Author‏ @Vince524 Apr 2
        Replying to @Vince524 @HPluckrose

        D) Legal lines. Who decides medical care when other unable? Property rights. Etc. E) Divorce. Legal precedent set for custody/asset division

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      1. Gemma‏ @gemagoldie Apr 2
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        This myth that emotions and rationality are two separate things really has to disappear. Every decision we make, whatever rational it is, it has an emotion behind. Without emotions there's no rationality. Lakoff explains it really well here:http://library.fora.tv/2008/06/20/George_Lakoff_on_The_Political_Mind …

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      1. Adam Kern  💀‏ @KernNuts Apr 2
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Love is pretty much the fucking epitome of "emotional." Rationality has zero influence on being attracted to another person

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      1. Lindsey Sharratt‏ @LindseySharratt Apr 2
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Procreation is the "rational" argument. Which of course ignores couples who choose not to have children. I'm with you. I don't get to decide who someone else gets to marry. I think that's both emotional and rational.

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      1. Brent Stephens‏ @brentous Apr 2
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        As if it’s not possible to reason about our emotions 🙄. This idea that emotions should be excluded from rational conversations is ridiculous on its face.

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      1. Kate‏ @KateofLate8 Apr 2
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I married my GF of 16 years 2 years ago so she would be my next of kin. Most things are in my name, so she's protected if something happens to me. Also, because of emotional reasons.

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      2. Bork Bork Bork Bork‏ @jonbmetz Apr 2
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Would same sex couples still collectively fight for marriage as much if it was only recognized by the cultural institution that provided it without any additional recognition from the State?

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      3. Sam Silvester‏ @SilvesterSJ Apr 3
        Replying to @jonbmetz @HPluckrose

        Yes, I would.

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      4. Bork Bork Bork Bork‏ @jonbmetz Apr 3
        Replying to @SilvesterSJ @HPluckrose

        Well, as others have pointed out, that's probably the only rational reason. If it's not needed, then there's Helen's answer.

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      2. Dreaming of Morrowind‏ @DoctorHeadcrab Apr 2
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        The rational reason is the creation of a stable, secure reproductive environment in which offspring produced have the greatest possible chance of growing to maturity, leaving the nest, and continuing the propagation cycle.

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      3. Robo Tweeter‏ @omeagoz Apr 2
        Replying to @DoctorHeadcrab @HPluckrose

        Reproduction is not a requirement of marriage. Having kids is not compulsory. Getting married and having kids is not dependent on each other.

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      4. Dreaming of Morrowind‏ @DoctorHeadcrab Apr 2
        Replying to @omeagoz @HPluckrose

        No, but it is the primary biological function behind our notions of romance, sexuality, and so on... and from a purely rational point of view, it serves the purpose of 'survival of the species'.

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      5. Dreaming of Morrowind‏ @DoctorHeadcrab Apr 2
        Replying to @DoctorHeadcrab @omeagoz @HPluckrose

        That's not to say this is all it entail, or even that this is what it SHOULD be used for... the question was posed as to 'what the purely rational reason' would be. So I present Marriage as the natural human 'evolution' of species which mate for life, and the rationale behind it.

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      6. Robo Tweeter‏ @omeagoz Apr 2
        Replying to @DoctorHeadcrab @HPluckrose

        Marriage is the legal legal recognition of a specific relationship between two people. It has never been about children.

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      1. Suzy Lebovitz‏ @suzylebo Apr 2
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Yes, and...equal protection under the law.

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