People often imagine that when society was strongly Christian in premodern times, people were more spiritual and focused on virtue. This is almost certainly a misconception brought about by it being largely religious texts which have survived.
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There was also considerable focus on work. Women were expected to attend church much more than men, particularly in agricultural areas which was most areas, because men were expected to be working a lot in daylight whilst women worked at home often alone.
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There is some reason to think that this expectation was not appreciated by women but quite possibly engineered by them. Not just services. Many church activities including social events & cleaning it & decorating it were run by women. This was a social life.
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There seems to have been a strange thing in the late medieval period (possibly earlier too but this is my area) where it was not understood that women can get lonely & like to talk to other women. Many sermons telling them to stop going to each others houses all the time.
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Telling them to stay in and do their work and wait for their husbands. Much suspicion of women who just went to other women's houses for a cup of tea (OK, tea wasn;t a thing but you know what I mean) Seen as dereliction of duty & gossiping (which was bad esp if abt husbands)
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The church was a way women authorised getting together & having a chat. Records showing charges laid against parishioners & punished with fines include a lot of women being charged with talking through sermons, almost no men. Men more likely to be charged with not going to church
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Men, who more often worked outside the house, usually had plenty of male company. They could go to taverns too. Women needed to find ways to get together without being accused of neglecting their work, being frivolous, flighty or gossiping, Church was the acceptable way.
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And so, there are records of so many, seemingly quite unnecessary meetings of women at the church to discuss things like making a new scarf for the statue of Mary and then getting together to do it. Very slowly, I suspect.
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If that was the extent of society's immorality then it sounds a lot nicer than things are today
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Well, they also thought taking the children to watch someone get tortured to death in a public square was a fun day for the family, were down with marital rape, and really didn’t have a problem with slavery as long as it was of infidels.
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Most of which have equivalents today, on an industrial scale. 1/2
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If you go to Syria saying the world is 'kinder' cos a few bourgeois westerners don't do religion anymore, it's not gonna work...2/2
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If you're going to cherry-pick one of the worst places on Earth in 2018 to substantiate your extraordinary claim of the world being more immoral today than it was when burning animals alive was everyday entertainment, I'm going to dismiss you out of hand.
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Fun fact; back in Europe in the time Helen is talking about, you'd be broken on the wheel for committing a murder. That doesn't happen in the West today. It is a simple fact that things are nicer now than they were then, especially in the geographic area Helen is discussing.
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...and now that he's pulled a "prove the negative" on me, I've muted. Pointless conversation.
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