"I don't understand people who are sceptical that we've made huge moral progress" You get more of what you reward. People are constantly rewarded (academically, professionally, socially) for pointing fingers and declaring something a moral outrage.
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They should consider how much this weakens their message, too. I can't trust people who can't acknowledge how far we've come to tell us where we should be heading.
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I agree with you but I think we are on the brink of destroying much of that progress. From people not tolerating opinions that differ from theirs to demanding and even enacting laws to restrict and even compel speech.. We live in a dangerous time.
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We can either choose to march forward with a form of social progress that encourages all people to be better to hope and dream or we can fall back into a new Dark Age of intellectual stagnation and repression.
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I couldn’t agree more. Society is in so many ways kinder and gentler, all the whole religious attendance falls. I’m not saying that religion made things worse, but it is interesting that we seem not to need an overarching rule book to achieve it.
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Not sure I'd agree. Maybe Western society has so ingrained the rules behind the christian ethic that its decided (properly or improperly) that the book is no longer required. I'd bet those rules will be just as misapplied on occasion as they are under the religious pretense.
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But there isn’t one set of rules in the Christian faith. There are many competing sets of rules which place emphasis on community, individual love, family ties, etc. Christianity is special because it charts 2,000 years of human thought but it isn’t unique.
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We've never had more freedom in Western Civilization to be whatever one wants to be. I am mystified by those who still want to destroy it. The best way of life ever imagined is Western Civilization.
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I think the explanation is quite simple. They compare the *best* people from 1900 to the worst people today.
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Factory farming? Climate change? Extinction?
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Slavery? Human sacrifice? Child labor? Women’s liberation? Religious freedom?
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It be fair to say that humanism has made significant progress. The question is why non-humanists would accept that definition of “moral progress.”
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There are also religious people who don't condemn homosexuals to death but believe homosexuality is immoral and thus the mainstream acceptance of it indicates moral decline.
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Because that's what happens when you live an incredibly privledged life with little or no exposure to the outside world. You turn into a neo Marxist.
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We can argue progress from a subjective standpoint too...
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I think things are much better but I am skeptical that progress is inevitable or that we as individual human creatures are more moral today than in the past.
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" I am skeptical that progress is inevitable" I don't think anyone claimed that.
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I am not saying she or anyone else in particular did but it is a popular belief in many circles.
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It is also a popular (arguably, mendacious) rhetorical technique to respond to statements people make as though they said something entirely different.
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Why assume I said something argumentative instead of complementary?
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It was probably the "but"
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